shiny ribbon vs shinny ribbon no screen /G7 china vs G7 dale

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cwatkins

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Ok, I have some pictures of the mic setups and also some plots.
Here's a couple shots of the mics realitive to a Studio projects PS8 speaker. Output was a Avocet, The mic pre was two channels of chamira into a ada8000 line in.
Now Heres what one must derive from the plots, it's smaart's "transfer feature" so it should be (RTA -/+ RTA). This way the speaker is nulled, the room is also nulled, but you must derive the imperfections of each.
For instance if I had good input sources, (not the radio), I'd say that I loved the shiny box removal of the what is a "pff" filter material. But, I can't yet tell if I perfer the "mid" character it seemed to add to it. Cause without it, the ribbon sounded more scooped, but holy cow did it make it "shiny" on the top. I also think that in the long run I would prefer just putting a "pfff" filter between the source and the ribbon.

Now as to the two g7's I built, I took the best capsule that I've been testing for a few months from dale and this is the first rta type of head to head. I probably should have printed the RTA's seperately too so you could see what each mic added and lacked. For instace, you must realize that in the chinese-vs-dale, that it adds midrange and does not have as much highend... in comparison to the chinese capsule....Which, is a little scooped. (Or at least this is what I derive from the test after real world listening.) Also, for whatever reason in 8 mode on the G7's there was a big dip in the dale capsule or so it seemed, but you don't hear that per say. again, that could have been a room anomoly but I tried to swap the positions once with no avail and similar results.

As to the Shiny - vs Shiny, if you look at it compared with each other it's real close, and I'd say that the mid300-2k dip is a result of lack of that material and also the bumps in the high end are a result of it gone too.

Oh, and overall, these are my two most favorite mics for sure, but, I was using the g7 because of lack of top end on the ribbon... now I must have areal world overhead or room mic test to see if I just plain prefer the ribbon for that duty, with the right pre, those are tough to beat.

Anybody see anything dramicly wrong with the "Tests?"


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Ok, I decided to add some wav's, of these on a drum kit.
I removed the cloth from the other ribbon, the G7's are in a '"glyn john"
config over the drums and the ribbons are in 90 co-in, for MS or whatever.
The 90 degree (side) Mic Ribbon - no cloth
http://www.rockthemountain.com/~watkins/audiopics/mic-compare/8-Rib-St.wav
The Center OH Mic - chinese capsule
http://www.rockthemountain.com/~watkins/audiopics/mic-compare/CenterMoon-G7-Chi-Cap.wav
The Left over Tom Mic - Dale Capsule
http://www.rockthemountain.com/~watkins/audiopics/mic-compare/LeftMoon-G7-76-cap.wav
The Mono Mic Ribbon - no cloth
http://www.rockthemountain.com/~watkins/audiopics/mic-compare/Mono.wav
Pictures of said setup.
picture1.jpg

picture2.jpg


Oh, and I take no claims as to being a drummer. You will probably want to mix it so see how the imaging can differ, so it shows off a few things, I figured it was a little better than a boring all in one place compare. I can't say whether the dale capsule sounds better or not because of position, in my experience the china one sounds scouped, but may not be benefiting from proximity, oh, BTW, I had no help so, the gains are just equal in pre's settings. The ribbons were on thet chimera, the G7's on a un-modded channel of Alesis X2. There might be overs as I can't be in two places at once...
 

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