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Title: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: kato on May 31, 2009, 07:37:07 PM

I finally started recording in the DAW and although my previous experiences (in the 90's) were crashy and maddening, I'm having a blast this time 'round. MIDI works better thru USB than silly ancient interface. Latency is down to nearly nothing. Fun! (I'm using Logic 7.)

I'm pretty set on investing in AutoTune (don't shoot me.) Any other things I should look into? I don't plan to buy more than one or two plug-ins max since Logic has pretty good reverb and EQ built in. I'm doing mostly straight ahead rock and some folk. Anything you're finding essential?

Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: MartyMart on May 31, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
PM'd

Marty.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: lofi on May 31, 2009, 07:40:54 PM
sir2 for reverb

Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: seavote on May 31, 2009, 08:10:03 PM
dont know the differences but SIR 1 is a freeware program that reciveded great reviews
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: asm on May 31, 2009, 08:22:46 PM

check out the massey plugs. they are awesome.
free full version demos but when you re-open a session it doesnt keep settings within the plug. no worries.

the 2007 limiter is sick. and the tapeHead one is great too.

the SIR verbs are supposedly great. and i used Altiverb for a while and it was really nice as well.

check out the URS plugins some nice modeling of SS L and N eve stuff.

not a fan of waves, so never used their plugs, hear alot of mixed reviews.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: EmRR on May 31, 2009, 08:46:04 PM
Lotsa freeware and shareware out there.   Check out the Stillwell stuff.  It's good and cheap.   The interfaces are annoying to me though, all vintage bling look and no real useful metering or control gradations.   I still use it often.   
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: iomegaman on May 31, 2009, 09:16:44 PM
The Logic stuff is pretty top shelf in my opinion (for plug-ins)...I hear a big difference with the UAD stuff though...I have not regretted any UAD purchases, we have several machines set up in both shops and use them a lot...the Sonitus stuff is quite usable, we rely on Sonar for our main daw and they have some top notch stuff in Sonar 8 thats 64 bit bow to stern...
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: hobiesound on May 31, 2009, 09:17:00 PM
gotta show some love for the universal audio plug-ins. absolutly love them.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: ubxf on May 31, 2009, 09:52:24 PM
melodyne
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: deuce42 on June 01, 2009, 01:32:57 AM
If someone were to hold a gun to my head and make me recite my favourite plugs I would say:

1) Waves Platinum: yes Waves is the most horrible company on earth and treats it's own customers like criminals- but some of their plugs such as the L1, L2, and IR Reverb will one day become industry standards in as much as an 1176 or a Pultec is.  The list of world famous producers who maintain they cant operate a day without them says enough of itself, regardless of the fact that mortals like us are horrified and angered by the companies operations.

2) If you use pro tools: Massey - awesome and cheap.

3) URS EQ's: modeled on neve, api and ssl are pretty cool.

4) Melodyne is worth every penny and a lot more flexible than autotune. _ ie you can create harmonies etc out of it.

I worry when I go on too much about plug ins - they distract me from my more loved past time - hardware!....and building it:)
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: kooma on June 01, 2009, 02:25:31 AM
airwindows !
got some of their freebies(crystal&pressure) and I really like them:)
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: rrs on June 01, 2009, 02:32:47 AM

I finally started recording in the DAW and although my previous experiences (in the 90's) were crashy and maddening, I'm having a blast this time 'round. MIDI works better thru USB than silly ancient interface. Latency is down to nearly nothing. Fun! (I'm using Logic 7.)

I'm pretty set on investing in AutoTune (don't shoot me.) Any other things I should look into? I don't plan to buy more than one or two plug-ins max since Logic has pretty good reverb and EQ built in. I'm doing mostly straight ahead rock and some folk. Anything you're finding essential?



Well I don't use Logic but one thing I find when mixing digital is the lack of distortion/ harmonics. I use the Cranesong Phoinix in Pro Tools but I'm sure there is an equivilant to this elsewhere. These type of things also compress better than some digital comps also so use liberally.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: MartyMart on June 01, 2009, 04:18:35 AM
To put some life and "grit" back into digital tracks "Vintage warmer"

For Eq / Comp URS and UAD are of course "The dogs bollox"

For time based fx "Soundtoys" and nothing else ( very, very tasty )

For reverb either Altiverb or IK's CSR , Arts acoustik is also nice.

For "Mad" stuff and creative fun, Ohmforce bundle and Fabfilter bundle are killer.

MM.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: EEMO1 on June 01, 2009, 04:36:04 AM
 well,

 I bought the liquid mix 2nd hand for around 250 or so. the compressors and eq's actually sound better than I hoped.

 40 compressors and 20 eq's for 250... how much does a UAD plugin cost on average?

 - massey plugins

 - tritone plugins are nice too

 -sonnox plugins are good
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: radiance on June 01, 2009, 09:18:34 AM
Soundtoys for delay, filter, pitch fx....from the makers of the Eventide H3000...These are by far the best plugins I came accross and I've tried ALL the ususal suspects...also some unusual as well...

Also, I think Logics own space designer is very good. No need to invest in an other convolution reverb. Espacially with the new Bricasti impulse responses which can be had for FREE from acousticas...
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: [email protected] on June 01, 2009, 09:28:41 AM
I really like Duende. but its just like having an ssl comp/gate/eq. But I can really work with it.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: kml23956 on June 01, 2009, 09:42:06 AM
I can tell you what I hate.  Waves.  The plugins work fine.  What I hate is the SUP.  There yearly upgrade and maintenance costs.  They want at least $400 per year and I have to find a vendor who is willing to put some time in to figure out the cost.  They are the reason I do the DIY.  At least $400 in DIY I get to keep and use with out any additional fees.   :(

If I sound pissed, it's because I am. 

Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: MartyMart on June 01, 2009, 10:58:22 AM
I can tell you what I hate.  Waves.  The plugins work fine.  What I hate is the SUP.  There yearly upgrade and maintenance costs.  They want at least $400 per year and I have to find a vendor who is willing to put some time in to figure out the cost.  They are the reason I do the DIY.  At least $400 in DIY I get to keep and use with out any additional fees.   :(

If I sound pissed, it's because I am. 



Do you know what your extra $400 a year goes into ?

Catching all those studios who have "Hooky" copies of Waves in their systems !!!

They should spend more time looking after the people who DO buy their bloody stuff  ... ggrrrrr

MM.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: Emperor Tomato Ketchup on June 01, 2009, 12:00:55 PM
I wouldn't give Waves a dollar if each plug-in came with a coupon for a happy ending.  I never use cracked software, but I've considered using cracked Waves, just out of principle.

BTW, another vote here for UAD.

-Chris
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: ubxf on June 01, 2009, 12:04:24 PM
"Espacially with the new Bricasti impulse responses which can be had for FREE from acousticas..." Thanks Radiance
francois
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: stereokillah on June 01, 2009, 02:41:47 PM
put one eyes here http://antress.webng.com/ (http://antress.webng.com/)
there is neve  dbx 160vu manley urei...........

All free

I use it on all the mix,for the reverb ati or Tlspace native For the impulse reponse.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: stereokillah on June 01, 2009, 02:48:52 PM
for Eq there psp master Q psps neon very fine for a plug in the best for me should be massenburg, or valvetone and angel tone.

Melodyne is great and very easy to work
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: desol on June 01, 2009, 03:25:36 PM
I find the EMI TG plugs quite nice for compression.
http://www.chandlerlimited.com/products/plugin_tg12413.php

I'll have to check out the Soundtoys effects as pointed out by Radiance.

Cheers,

D.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: pucho812 on June 01, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
who needs plug in's. I am not a big fan of most plug in's on the market. They all look good and end up sounding like poop. There a few exceptions.  I like those.

1. Altiverb
2.Melodyne (fairly step learning curve but the tuning capabilities rock)
3. um can't think of any eq or comp that I like
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: EEMO1 on June 02, 2009, 03:17:19 AM
Also, I think Logics own space designer is very good. No need to invest in an other convolution reverb. Espacially with the new Bricasti impulse responses which can be had for FREE from acousticas...

 sink your ears in these, free aswell:
http://www.rhythminmind.net/presetblog/category/samples/impulse-sets/ (http://www.rhythminmind.net/presetblog/category/samples/impulse-sets/)

Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: chrissugar on June 02, 2009, 03:27:21 AM
I use as much as possible hardware so I try to use only plug-ins that are complementary to my hardware.
Also I restricted myself to use only freeware plug-ins and the ones included in my recording softwares (ableton, samplitude, etc). This choice free me up of all the problems associated with registrations/unlock/passwords and other headaches for each plug-in.
There are so many fantastic quality plug-ins for free, you just have to find them.

chrissugar
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: MartyMart on June 02, 2009, 03:56:16 AM
I use as much as possible hardware so I try to use only plug-ins that are complementary to my hardware.
Also I restricted myself to use only freeware plug-ins and the ones included in my recording softwares (ableton, samplitude, etc). This choice free me up of all the problems associated with registrations/unlock/passwords and other headaches for each plug-in.
There are so many fantastic quality plug-ins for free, you just have to find them.

chrissugar

Lots of free VST's but not many decent AU plugins around ..... cheap or "free" isn't always "good" though !!

MM.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: kooma on June 02, 2009, 05:11:18 AM
..quality plug-ins for free, you just have to find them.

chrissugar

Lots of free VST's but not many decent AU plugins around ..... cheap or "free" isn't always "good" though !!

MM.

ehem.. sorry if I'm too hostile but i'll have to repeat myself:)
free  and decent AU-plugins

airwindows !

Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: MartyMart on June 02, 2009, 07:14:04 AM
Thanks Kooma - trying some out right now :-)

MM.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: kato on June 02, 2009, 09:44:54 AM
Wow, I've got a lot of demos to check out now! Amazing I've only heard of a few of these: altiverb, UAD, etc. Been out of the game a long time.

I share chrissugar's mindset to keep it simple and try to get away with as few external plug-ins as possible to accomplish what I need. It's sad I have to buy an iLok just to demo URS plugins. What a hassle. They look promising but that's the kind of tangle I just don't have much patience for.

Thanks for all the suggestions.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: ruairioflaherty on June 02, 2009, 09:54:38 AM
Kato,

I won;t give you specific advice on plugs because many of my favourites are Pro Tools HD only but I will say this.  Try to avoid the temptation to have many options and colours.  When I bought my HD rig to upgrade from Digi 001 I probably spent 6K on plug ins.  Over the years I've separated the good from the bad and I swear I use one eq 95% of the time, one compressor, one saturation plug, two reverbs and a few delays.  The simpler you can keep your options the more work you'll get done and the more intuitive your workflow will become. 

I could write way more about this sometime but suffice to say that I'm totally over plug ins and not because I have a huge selection of hardware.

Best of luck,
Ruairi

Might as well say I use the Massenburg EQ (with the Sony oxford for low end stuff)
The Oxford compressor
The Cranesong Phoenix
Altiverb and the Eventide SP2016
The waves delay (would rather echoboy)

Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: hotbaby on June 05, 2009, 03:19:10 AM
- Powercore Plugs
- UAD Plugs
- Sony oxford influator and filter
- urs eq pack
- psp Audio plugin packs
- Autotune.
- Nuendo and Cubase 5 plugins, delays...etc
"Dominion" a very helpful Attack Amplitude modifier for free

Thats all i want, need.
I deleted about 200 Plugins cause they made my computer and my head busy.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: simonsez on June 05, 2009, 05:38:49 AM
Don't get fool with nice user interface...
for me PSP vintage warmer and T-racks deluxe 3 is really nice..
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: hotbaby on June 05, 2009, 11:18:16 AM
of course, T-Racks! ;D i love it!
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: recnsci on June 05, 2009, 11:23:54 AM
When I first heard Sony Oxford EQ and Comp in person, my reaction was : "sh*t, mixing ITB just became nonissue". Of course YMMV.

Non PT, but very nice (and cheap), Stillwell Audio Rocket compressor.

I didn't care so much 'bout UAD stuff (but to be honest, I haven't heard new plugs that came in last year).

cheerz
urosh
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: desol on June 05, 2009, 11:28:42 AM
Yes...the sony eq in particular is very good. But not free!
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: echotodd on June 05, 2009, 03:10:11 PM
Another vote the Massey plugs.  I was working on a project over the weekend and was reminded how much I love the SansAmp PSA plug!
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: recnsci on June 05, 2009, 05:26:27 PM
Yes...the sony eq in particular is very good. But not free!

Why should it be free? I consider EQ+comp to be fairly priced, regarding what they do.

If you want very good and free EQ in PC/VST domain, search for NoName EQ by Christian Budde.
Simple, low CPU load and sounds very nice.

cheerz
urosh
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: TomWaterman on June 05, 2009, 09:50:33 PM
Soundtoys are the sh*t. Although I wish it would do more of the harmonizing type stuff you can get on a H3000 or on that goddamn amazing H7600/8000 - which I'm going to have to get!
UA - IBP, TD, Plate140, DimensionD, Cambridge (filters) and others get used here. Suprisingly moving away from their LA2A and 1176 emus.
Some URS but can sound a bit plastic to me. 99% of the time I just use the MIX EQs.
Sonalksis get used a lot here, I love the CQ-1, secret vocal bus weapon. Comp, Gate and EQ are nice too, Avoid their 'mastering' plugs, terrible limiter.
Sonnox reverb (I like the EQ and Dyn but can live without if I have some UA or Sonalksis stuff).
On PC the Eventide 2016 reverb is decent but the hardware is so much better... I just got one as I'm on mac where the plugin won't run except for PT.
PSP Lexicon are cool but lack some character of the originals, however Nitro is another sectret weapon of mine, seriously good sounding from filtering through to delays, waveshaping and stereo width.
I think the Waves Rcomp and Rvox do a decent job on RnB vocals.
Voxengo Elephant, Crunchessor, LF Max Punch and Voxformer are more than worth it. Elephant gets used a lot here.
Melodyne Plugin is great but I wish it would drag and drop midi out of it.
Altiverb + acousticas, SIR is great for free too.

On our PTHD rig, I like the Chandler stuff, ReVibe, Digi Reel Tape Suite and Crane Song Phoenix. Reel Tape is the same algomath as the Anamod and sounds really good for a plugin.

-T

Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: Silvas on June 05, 2009, 11:49:41 PM
I´m finishing a very difficult mix right now (absolutely crappy recording, not done by me of course !) and doing massive amounts of beat detective, elastic audio, melodyne, cut-copy-paste and sometimes over-compression and over-processing...i rediscovered a plugin that saved my life more than once...drumagog. Now after all the hassles, i have a decent sounding mix happening !

Massey plugs also rock. And I´m in love with the UAD plugins, which i feel (hear) are the best sounding plugins available.

Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: mushy on June 06, 2009, 12:35:55 AM
The classic waves plugs are completely redundant in today's day and age. There is no reason to invest in them. They represent the state of the art circa ten years ago.  Not to say they are bad. Just overpriced and underpowered. There are newer plugs that do the same things for less money.

When I started mixing in the box, I spent years trying to recreate the caliber of mix I could get on an ssl. The presence of the eq was somewhat easy to get from filterbank or even eqIII but that snap you can get from the ssl dynamic section seemed completely unattainable. It seems that plugin developers spent so much time modeling complex tube outboard that they completely neglected simple inboard VCA style compressors. Now I use the Waves SSL plugs religiously. Does it sound like an SSL? No. But they achieve the goals I was going for.

Other plugs I rely on:

Omnipressor. Yay VCA.
Massey De-esser. Best de esser ever. Hardware OR software I dare say.
TL Space. Nothing fancy. Just a solid convolution verb.
PSP Audioware stuff. The 42 and Nitro.
Melodyne.
Whatever that Massey drum to midi program is. Best drum replacer ever.
     
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: simonsez on June 06, 2009, 01:23:55 AM
Of course!!! drumagog!! I have the same situation here Silvas... >:(
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: Silvas on June 06, 2009, 10:08:53 PM
I forgot...i replaced many many instances of aphex aural exciter with a pair of modded dolby 361, my new favorite "plugin" !
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: hotbaby on June 07, 2009, 07:54:29 AM
I must say, i also love the plugins of propellerheads reason.
I love the sound of the screamer and of the UN-16-Unison-Modul.

I tryed to copy the UN-16-Unison sound with the cubase stuff (chorus,spatial,delays...) but i didnt get the thight nice sound.
It would be so cool if propellerhead would make separate plugins... but now they
launched "Record"...a separate sequencer with some of the good reason devices... anyone testet it? the mixer looks interesting ;) a "ssl clone" mixing desk... maybe this is a good thing as i was very crazy about reason... but maybe not as they never had a good mixer algorithm..  :)
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: MartyMart on June 08, 2009, 04:53:59 AM
I must add that while i have 2 or 3 SSL bus compressor clones which are very tasty, they don't match up
to the GSSL with turbo at all !!!
UAD's 1176 is very very close to the real thing and Stillwellaudio's "Rocket" is like an 1176 on steroids :-)

Horses for courses ....


MM.
Title: Re: What plug-ins do you guys like?
Post by: JoleFIN on June 08, 2009, 11:17:56 AM
A lot of bashing against Waves has been seen now due to their customer politics, but we all like the ultramaximizer series. If you don't have any of the Waves L1/L2/L3, you can help yourself by using a freeware clone of L1 called Yohng's W1 limiter. It does the job great, but I wish it had somewhat the same GUI as the original, I'm missing the GR reduction graphics which always tell me how much I'm biting (used to do 250ms release for speech and vocals in overall, and you can use a lot of threshold before you are doing too much damage). I wish he will clone L2 one day. Check it here
http://www.yohng.com/w1limit.html

I'm amazed that no-one has mentioned ProAudioDSP's DSM (Dynamic Spectrum Mapper). We all have had our not-so-convincing experiences with software leaning on this idea before (like Steinberg's Freefilter, mind I laugh), but this is finally something that really is working great. It's ie. the best "de-esser" I've had so far, but you gotta be cautious with the settings and pay some time learning to use it for your profit. It will save me a LOT of manual hand labour mouse-work on dynamics wise once I buy it. I had the 21-day trial and unfortunately run out of time already, but found out inserting it on every vocal channel and replacing a line of plugins.  I find it revolutionary and just what digital equipment is for when combining the best out of the two worlds. These guys worked for SSL/Oxford before, which tells something in itself (see the About page). See the videos and try-out for yourself (need an iLok though, but you won't regret it).
http://www.proaudiodsp.com/products/dsm/