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Title: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: pucho812 on February 01, 2012, 01:28:13 PM
Anyone have a lead on where to get old 386 computers for flying faders, well not the whole computer but parts. the ones here are on their last legs and  you can only repair them so many times.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sr1200 on February 01, 2012, 01:46:18 PM
What parts do you need exactly?  We have a quite extensive graveyard at my office.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: pucho812 on February 02, 2012, 01:39:59 PM
What parts do you need exactly?  We have a quite extensive graveyard at my office.

what have you got? and what would you  charge for the stuff. We looking to build at least another 2 computers
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sr1200 on February 02, 2012, 01:49:48 PM
I'd have to check whats left, they just did a mass recycle getting rid of tons of mobo's ram monitors drives etc etc.
If you're looking for something specific (processor, mobo, cards etc.) would be easier for me to ask if theres anything left.
A lot of the older stuff the just "throw out" so...
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: pucho812 on February 02, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
o.k. cool. let me get with the chief tech and see what is what.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sr1200 on February 02, 2012, 03:16:44 PM
Just out of curiosity... is there a hardware interface bewtween FF and the computer?  If it's only a serial cable or something and not a card you have to put in the machine, I would STRONGLY suggest running VMware or something instead of trying to revive a mummy.  You can setup a windows 3.1 environment which will work just as good if not better than trying to get an old 386 box up and running.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: Walrus on February 02, 2012, 06:25:12 PM
No, it's not just a PC. From memory, I think there are 3, possibly 4, ISA cards that make up the interface for FF.
One has the fibre optic link to the FF card rack. One for timecode and interface to the machine contoller. Recall card? and maybe a memory card.
Been a few years since I was inside one.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sahib on February 02, 2012, 07:29:17 PM
Pucho,

Consider single board industrial computers too. I fiddled with them for robotics control.

http://www.indocomp.com/ind386.html

Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sr1200 on February 03, 2012, 02:28:18 AM
Theres a bunch of old IBM stuff theyre getting rid of. May be some 386 machines. Ill look tomorrow.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: pucho812 on February 03, 2012, 11:59:42 AM
No, it's not just a PC. From memory, I think there are 3, possibly 4, ISA cards that make up the interface for FF.
One has the fibre optic link to the FF card rack. One for timecode and interface to the machine contoller. Recall card? and maybe a memory card.
Been a few years since I was inside one.

correct. the veca, the weca and I forget the names of the other 2 cards off the topo of my head. Yes has to be a 386 or lower. We been clocking our 386's down to 286 speeds for such purpose belive it or not. If it were my choice, we would upgrade to FF II but since the company is looking to ditch the vr's in a year or so, upgrade option was tossed out.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sr1200 on February 03, 2012, 01:48:02 PM
Bad news then.  The "worst" i could find on there was a pentium I.  Has some ISA slots in it but if you're havin issues with 386s I doubt this is going to work.  Just out of curiosity, if you had a ISA cage, would it be possible to run on VMware?
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: pucho812 on February 03, 2012, 01:57:48 PM
I don't think so, but I appreciate you looking into it.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: QUEEF BAG on February 04, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
ain't the main thing the HP vector (or viper) board in there?

and who doesn't love running windows 2.0?

ours works great  (so far)
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: pucho812 on February 04, 2012, 03:02:44 PM
ain't the main thing the HP vector (or viper) board in there?

and who doesn't love running windows 2.0?

ours works great  (so far)

yeah windows 2.0 is the best. good thing I remember dos commands ;)
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: Brian Roth on February 05, 2012, 03:18:34 AM
lol....


del *.*

just kidding...

bri

Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: seriousfun on February 06, 2012, 03:57:31 PM
No guarantees, but with enough tweaking of the bios you should be able to get a 486 working, but not a Pentium. You will need DOS drivers for the peripherals, and a disk overlay so DOS sees a small hard drive.

The CPU should be clocked down to no higher than 33 mHz - this is due to the Neve Recall card.

(This seems like it's for a Neve V-Series) The computer should have unreplaceable and unrepairable HP Viper and Neve Recall cards, as well as the Martinsound Dual Port card (which we can repair in some cases). And you might have an extra Time Code card, and an IDE card of some sort.

Make sure you call our technicians at 626 281 3555 x126 to see if there is anything that can be done.

If not, Flying Faders II lets you run new software on a computer running Windows 7, and uses a USB interface to replace all of the ISA cards, including Recall.


Anyone have a lead on where to get old 386 computers for flying faders, well not the whole computer but parts. the ones here are on their last legs and  you can only repair them so many times.
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sr1200 on September 18, 2014, 02:39:33 PM
Sorry to revive this dead post.  Does anyone have discs to reinstall FF?  Also does anyone have any spare mice (or A mouse) that works with the machine (serial i believe and it has to be a specific type).
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: pucho812 on September 19, 2014, 07:40:30 PM
I should have made copies before i left the place that had them.  sorry, if I did I would hand them over. Might be a good but expensive investment to get FFII. it will work with existing hardware and put you in the modern computing era
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sr1200 on September 21, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
Unfortunately, they are a non-profit org and budget is all but nil.  Have any buddies over there that might wanna do a charitable favor?
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: pucho812 on September 21, 2014, 02:40:01 PM
I'll ask around, but when I was gone the only other tech followed  shortly after .  I'll see what I can do
Title: Re: flying faders I computers and parts needed
Post by: sr1200 on September 23, 2014, 09:52:18 AM
Much appreciated.