try to illuminate some issues that seem poorly founded or unsupported by fact.Then I hope you have some insight into reality that the rest of us aren't privy to. Facts don't seem to exist any more - only spin.
JR
Honestly JR you are the one who keeps bringing up politics all the time. People wouldn't say half the stuff they do if you didn't keep posting stuff like this.Some more of my sloppy thinking I guess.... I see a difference between talking "about" politics (the game) and talking politics (the plays within the game). I see a lot of talking politics and not much talking about the game in play.
Then I hope you have some insight into reality that the rest of us aren't privy to. Facts don't seem to exist any more - only spin.I will have to decline going down that particular philosophical rabbit hole (what is truth?). There are many objective facts often glossed over when attempting to manipulate sentiment.
Why does the discussion always have to be so metaphysical?Why ask why? ;)
Let's start with some specifics of what the GOP supports:The list is longer than that
1) Does anyone think Justin Walker is an appropriate pick to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit? Why?Don't know who that is...
2) Does anyone agree with the blocking of Merrick Garland?In fact I argued for approving Garland (in this forum at the time). My thoughts back then was that Garland would be more moderate than who President Hillary would likely appoint (recall that I expected her to win).
3) Does anyone agree with the blocking of Obama court appointments (fewest total nominations since 1969)?I just saw a constitutional argument (editorial) that says President Trump could recess congress himself and make recess appointments for all the positions still blocked after 3+ years. Despite the vast majority of swamp dwellers sheltering in some other place they are pretending to be in session to prevent recess appointments. (Note: recess appointments can get overturned when congress is actually back in session again. John Bolton's appointment as UN ambassador is the poster boy for that).
4) Does anyone agree with GOP political gerrymandering? Of the top 10 gerrymandered states, 9 are GOP controlled.Gerrymandering is at least two centuries old (at least the name is). It has been well inspected.
The issue isn't related to 'a pox on both their houses'. Both the Democrats and the GOP are both guilty of various offenses: the issue is that yes, theft and murder are both crimes, but they aren't equivalent crimes.It seems a little ironic to dismiss whataboutism, at the end of a list of whatabouts.... :-[
Can any of these topics be discussed without resorting to whataboutism? Does anyone who voted for (or is planning on voting for) Trump explain why they support these actions?
Don't know who that is...You said previously that the judiciary was one of your most important considerations for voting for Trump. He is being groomed for a future SC seat, should Trump win.
In fact I argued for approving Garland (in this forum at the time).That's great, except that isn't what happened. Do you agree with what happened? Is all fair in love and war?
I just saw a constitutional argument (editorial) that says President Trump could recess congress himself and make recess appointments for all the positions still blocked after 3+ years. Despite the vast majority of swamp dwellers sheltering in some other place they are pretending to be in session to prevent recess appointments. (Note: recess appointments can get overturned when congress is actually back in session again. John Bolton's appointment as UN ambassador is the poster boy for that).He can't recess Congress.
Gerrymandering is at least two centuries old (at least the name is). It has been well inspected.I can't tell if you approve or disapprove of gerrymandering. My question was:
Does anyone who voted for (or is planning on voting for) Trump explain why they support these actions?
It seems a little ironic to dismiss whataboutism, at the end of a list of whatabouts.... :-[My list absolutely was not a list of whatabouts. Whataboutism is answering a question with a justification that someone has done the same thing before. Since I was asking for a justification in the first place your statement makes no sense.
Prosecutors in North Carolina filed new felony charges against a Republican political operative accused of ballot tampering in a congressional election in 2018.The SC decision in Shelby County v. Holder basically opened the door to more shenanigans (are we seeing a trend here?).
Leslie McCrae Dowless was charged Tuesday with two counts of felony obstruction of justice, perjury, solicitation to commit perjury, conspiracy to obstruct justice and illegal possession of absentee ballots, according to a statement by Wake County District Attorney Lorrin Freeman.
“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends.
The big problem I see is that logical rational thinking seems to go away when it's comes to politics. It becomes team above principle for most of the mainstream choices. How will anything ever change if people continue to elect Rs with no sense of limited government and fiscal responsibility and Ds with no regard for the working man or civill liberties?Yes, but finding that many principled politicians is all but impossible. Our founders appreciated that and specifically engineered in checks and balances in our government to limit concentration of power. In the centuries since, this has mostly worked, but the federal government has expanded beyond its original purpose, and seems hungry for even more control over the private sector.
It's an endless debate over which apple is less rotten.
Everyone would be better off electing principled politicians with high moral character, even if you disagreed with some of their political positions. Unfortunately they very rarely win.
The big problem I see is that logical rational thinking seems to go away when it's comes to politics. It becomes team above principle for most of the mainstream choices. How will anything ever change if people continue to elect Rs with no sense of limited government and fiscal responsibility and Ds with no regard for the working man or civill liberties?
It's an endless debate over which apple is less rotten.
Everyone would be better off electing principled politicians with high moral character, even if you disagreed with some of their political positions. Unfortunately they very rarely win.
very interesting. Is that paper online somewhere?
A recent study about it came to the conclusion that it's the worst if you only have two parties. The more parties you have, the less chance of thinking bilateral...
This paper wasn't about politics only. The same is true for violence in sport. You'jj on;y see violence in sports with two sides. Not in athletics or bike/car racing fi, as there are way more than two sides to the problem.
The case against Biden is getting weaker and weaker:It was always a "he said/she said"... (say that fast three times. ::) )
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-74-former-biden-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations
It was always a "he said/she said"... (say that fast three times. ::) )
This not a big deal, a little embarrassing if anything as we reveal how provincial we are.
The observation I make is how differently such incidents are treated depending upon political party affiliation.
I won't bore everybody with the obvious comparisons.
JR
It looks like she's an outlier and not a reliable one.Joe Biden has a track record for making women (people?) uncomfortable with his overly handsy invasion of personal space. That does not translate directly into sexual assault, which is not his reputation.
As to how different these things are treated, look no further at Kavanaugh (who was credibly accused of a felony and some other stuff) sitting on the supreme courtIn fact Ford's accusations were far less credible than Tara Reade's, and multiple Kavanaugh accusers have admitted making up their sexual violation accusations.
vs Al Franken (who apparanelty touched butt during at a photo op) resigning as a US Senator.I have no sympathy for Al Franken (by the way there was photographic evidence of his immature behavior when he was immature.... duh). He wasn't even that funny on SNL, but he indeed was a victim of #METOO social justice overreach (that was them eating their own). This does not mean that sexual predators should get free license, but the guilty until proved innocent policies President Obama's education department instituted for colleges are being rolled back to reflect constitutional rights.
with many people corroborating shenanigans..
As to how different these things are treated, look no further at Kavanaugh (who was credibly accused of a felony and some other stuff)
another media rorschach test....
You seem to be ignoring a rather important part. The removable of peaceful protesters by force should not be acceptable.Exactly.
This false narrative of systemic police bias is clearly dangerous for the police who are increasingly being targeted for violence, but does anybody think we don't need the police to maintain order?
False narrative? You’ve got to be kidding. Do you think a white guy would have been murdered by police for passing a single counterfeit $20 bill?Do you believe that is the whole story? That is however the popular narrative pushed by inflammatory media as he is tried in the press... and apparently declared guilty of "murder".
Every black parent warns their kids about interactions with the police. I didn’t get that speech and I doubt you did either.I am familiar with Mayor De Blasio famously throwing his own police officers under the bus. Unfortunately kids get lots of bad advice from parents, white and black. I see old school racism passed down that way by racist parents, but desegregation causes a lot of those prejudicial stereotypes to evaporate when exposed to real world face to face experience.
Systemic racism doesn’t mean individuals are racist . It means the system is set up that way.Show me where the rules say that?
The Kareem Abdul-Jabbar op ed had a very good analogy. Racism is like dust in the air. It’s everywhere but you don’t see it until you shine a light on it.That is a clever turn of phrase but not reality. When I first relocated into the deep south over three decades ago I encountered some residal vestigages of a racist past. One lunchtime back in the 80s I pulled into a small rural roadside barbecue stand. There were several older black people waiting in line. When I entered the stand, they stepped aside expecting me to jump the line. Of course I declined, but that was probably expected behavior with some.
Do you believe that is the whole story? That is however the popular narrative pushed by inflammatory media as he is tried in the press... and apparently declared guilty of "murder".
It is extremely unlikely that Floyd was killed over a counterfeit $20. I recall a case in NY over illegally selling single cigarettes where the arrest likewise turned lethal, and viral.
Parents who advise children to be fearful of police can cause they to run away when confronted by police, this will often lead to police chasing them to determine why they fled. Sometimes these unprovoked chases lead to complications. Better advice is to be respectful of authority. Show me where the rules say that?
Lebron James is arguably one of the best basketball players in history, but I am not receptive to him telling another athlete that he "doesn't get it" for defending the US flag (that athlete had to apologize profusely afterwards to social media outrage to protect his brand.) I also recall Lebron saying that same exact thing to the Houston Rockets manager who criticized China for abusing Hong Kong protestors. Of course Lebron is in the sweet spot of modern social culture, where it is OK to defend communist China but not defend the US flag.
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Now you are just talking out your ass. I guess it's an opinion.
I've seen the videos. Do you have something to add besides vague insinuations?No, because in cases like this I (we) don't know the full story.
That's exactly what happened in the Eric Garner case. He was killed for selling a single cigarette. I see no evidence to the contrary about George Floyd. Once again there seems to be some vague insinuation.No Garner was killed during a botched arrest "while" selling illegal singles...not killed "for" selling the singles. Arguably it is a waste of scarce resources to police such pettit crimes, but the city wants their tax revenue. In this case it cost a man's life.
you said ass.... ::)
Now you are just talking out your ass. I guess it's an opinion.
I think you are talking about taking a knee. That of course had nothing to do with disrespecting the flag but was a protest about police brutality. Sounds familiar.I was referring to the Drew Brees statement and apology, I refered to Lebron because he injected himself into it. Don't expect me to diagram that all again.
If this was a done deal we wouldn't need to hold a trial.
I do not have much hope for this working, but invite all the passionate, angry, inflamed, forum members to post whatever is bothering them at the moment, here instead of threads about other topics..Looking at clips of the rally, cheering white folks in the background, red hats, with a venerated narcissist telling them what they want to hear, juxtaposed with the BLM goings-on, it just struck me again what a dog whistle MAGA is: "We've got to put those uppity inferior people of color and foreigners (not the terms they use of course) back down in their place, so us white superior chosen ones that this country belongs to can be at the top again."
JR
Like this jerk...Hey, you found the MAGA poster boy! He'll probably get an invitation to the White House.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/wellington/fl-ne-man-teen-confrontation-video-20200618-325wj33rcrgfvkfuq6smnm32ma-story.html
Wonder what party he's affiliated with
I'd be down for some mail in beer.....Now beer is some DIY that I can really get behind..... 8)
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And I'm down for any moonshine recipes up for grabs. Anyone?I had an uncle living in the smoky mountains who knew some local shiners...
Getting drunk faster is a rookie move.The summer after high school I worked in a camp in the Colorado mountains as a dishwasher. I found half a pint of fermented vanilla eaxtract in the back of a cupboard and drank it one evening, Worst hangover I've ever had - probably lucky it didn't kill me.
Keep in mind I know nothing of chemistry here - is that 'cold extraction' ?cold extraction is a popular term for brewing coffee without using boiled water.... Typically you mix grounds with cold water and let it sit overnight in the fridge before filtering out the grounds. There was at least one commercial cold filtered coffee recalled because their cold water process was not sterile.
I've done a similar thing in my youth by crushing in water some over-the-counter strength codeine pills and 'almost' freezing the liquid to extract enough opiate to kill horrendous toothache without inducing a paracetamol overdose.you need to date nurse... they get the best free samples. 8)
Getting drunk faster is a rookie move.Yup, typically a young man's pursuit with homebrewing... Too much alcohol in beer results in a hot flavor/taste note that isn't very desirable...
For chuckles a trick I may have done when younger was to freeze beers to extract the ethyl alcohol that doesn't freeze from the water that does... didn't taste very good and I am not in a hurry to get drunk any faster these days.
Heard that the 2020 US presidential elections are 'rigged' already.That is a common rumor used to discourage low enthusiasm voters.
No matter what the outcome, I assume.
Lol
I think I can see how MAGAboy is going to play the election by messing with the postal system:
We’ve had mail In ballots for years in Colorado. Now the state is mostly democrat dominated state . It use to be republican. Coincidence? I don’t know. I like being able to vote by mail. What a cluster fxxx this year has been and will continue to be. I liked reading about beer more than voting .drinking beer is even more fun than politics... 8)
We’ve had mail In ballots for years in Colorado. Now the state is mostly democrat dominated state . It use to be republican. Coincidence? I don’t know.Maybe vote by mail came about because people wanted it (progress), regardless of politics, I don't think the state is more democrat now because mail voters were more likely to vote democrat. I grew up in Colorado, and remember my parents discussing Eisenhower vs Stevenson. They were republicans and voted for Eisenhower. That eventually morphed into the Nixon debacle, although other happenings even worse might have occurred had Stevenson been president.
I don't think the state is more democrat now because mail voters were more likely to vote democrat.
Why do people find it ok for both parties to pick and choose which rights should be protected?
Republicans are called conservative because they want to conserve traditional values.
Biden vs a super smart Andrew Yang who could I feel bridge some divide. This whole thing makes independents and party people hate each other when the two choices Biden / Trump are the best they can offer? How do breaks up the mess that’s been going on and getting worse every cycle.
Another high profile Trump crony arrested and charged with fraud:Um... https://www.npr.org/2020/08/14/902518714/ex-fbi-lawyer-charged-in-case-linked-to-alleged-abuse-of-surveillance-power (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/14/902518714/ex-fbi-lawyer-charged-in-case-linked-to-alleged-abuse-of-surveillance-power)
https://www.axios.com/steve-bannon-charged-fraud-199c43c1-2e75-4535-8eb0-d96558c9f777.html?stream=top&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alerts_all
Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith has agreed to plead guilty to a single false statement charge, marking the first criminal action in an investigation centered on how intelligence agencies gathered information involving the Trump campaign and Russia four years ago in the waning months of the Obama administration.
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Durham's exact focus is a closely held secret, but he also has reached out to former senior officials, including Obama's CIA director, John Brennan, to schedule interviews in recent weeks. Durham has also begun to use a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.
John, you ARE the king of whataboutisms.You sound like you need a rest...
This is about Trump's campaign manager as well as White House Chief of staff! Another one in a long line of criminals surrounding this president.
So one former FBI lawyer has pleaded guilty to a single false statement charge.
But: Two days ago, the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded the following:
Trump and his campaign were added and abaited by the Russians in an an "ongoing aggressive attempt".
Trump lied to federal investigator Robert Mueller (commited perjury under oath, written)!
Trump's
- Foreign Policy Adviser
- political consultant
- National Campaign Chairman
- Deputy Campaign Chairman
- National Security adviser
- personal attorney
- Attorney General
all lied UNDER OATH about contact with the Russians!
In other words:
Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton John Cornyn have concluded that...
...the government should have been investigating what was going on in the Trump campaign
...that the Trump Campagain manager was working with a Russian agent
...Carter Page was doing suspicious things that warrented him being looked at by the people in the US government because of his activities with Russia.
...these activities posed "a grave counterintelligence thread".
You HAVE to be completely blinded by partisanship not to see things for what they are here. I rest my case.
It is a common strategy to flip low level actors to get testimony incriminating higher ups. That is pretty much FBI was trying to do with low level Trump campaign guys.
I still can not predict the future other than to expect more such indictments to drop over the next several weeks.
JR
You sound like you need a rest...
I consider it significant that the Obama administration FBI lawyer altered evidence to secure a spying warrant against Trump campaign.
Other than common strategy, have any other reasons why you expect more indictments?Probably some wishful thinking and gossip... these guys don't leak stuff like the other team.
I personally don’t expect anything more, unless there’s a released investigational report that might indicate otherwise.The IG report suggested wrong doing but was not set up to issue indictments, the Durham investigation OTOH is and was designated a criminal investigation back in Oct 2019 signaling criminal charges could be forthcoming.
However, there’s plenty of actual convictions already on the other side that seem to be overlooked often from the far-right.Bannon appears to be caught with his hand in the cookie jar, hard to imagine what he was thinking if at all...
By the way, to be clear, I’m all for Klinesmith’s conviction.He is a low level puke... but spying on american citizens for political purposes is unacceptable IMO. Clinesmith was just a cog in the gears grinding out this abuse of the system, not the leadership. He needs to get his wrist slapped and hopefully share what he knows.
[...] Trump appears to have been spied on by a sitting administration using our own FBI and national intelligence community.
Top GOP National Security Officials Back Biden:Thanks for that link - couldn't say it better myself:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans-idUSKBN25G2C5
There are more than enough miscreants who did enough bad stuff to send some corrective feedback.
The closest I've seen to this in my tender few years paying attention to domestic politics was Richard Nixon and the Watergate "plumbers" break into the DNC to steal opposition information. This seems worse by several degrees, Trump appears to have been spied on by a sitting administration using our own FBI and national intelligence community. Nixon's plumbers were amateurs by comparison.
Yup, all politicians are crooks (except Nixon, of course.)When a politician says "I am not a crook" , he surely is. President Nixon drafted me so screw him....
So to be clear, you honestly believe this spying went high-up in the chain of command, though probably not as high as VP (while Trump spouts that it was Obama himself and should be prosecuted, as one of his many continuous rally-cries for his base), by two huge service departments of government, and there was absolutely no legitimate reason for it?It's not about what I believe, it's about what the DOJ can prove.
Even though there’s actual convictions of people around Trump? And absolutely all those convictions have absolutely nothing to do with some people in the Trump campaign trying to illegally coordinate with foreign influence. That Trump and his campaign are victims of the United States government? That they didn’t bring all this on themselves? I’d like to see how that would play out in court.
Was there a group of people willing to do illegals things to try and catch them? Possibly. Certainly not unheard of in the world of policing! Obviously at least one we know of so far. But what you seem to be putting out there so far doesn’t seem to add up to me.
I mean, I’m all for policing the police. What you’re talking about is systematic and is apart of what this time is happening in the streets right now.
It's not about what I believe, it's about what the DOJ can prove.
When a politician says "I am not a crook" , he surely is. President Nixon drafted me so screw him....Oh c'mon - if you can believe POTUS Pants-on-Fire, surely you can believe Nixon, of stellar character in comparison.
JR
Oh c'mon - if you can believe POTUS Pants-on-Fire, surely you can believe Nixon, of stellar character in comparison.I was a short timer counting my days to ETA starting with 700 something.
He didn't draft me - I reported to basic 3 days before his inauguration. But he was president during the rest of my indentured servitude.
Graffiti in a john in Long Binh:
If you voted for Nixon you can't sh!t here - your ass hole is in Washington.
As always, FTA.
I replaced my worn flag with a new "blue lives matters" flag, unsure if that now makes me a white supremacist, or am I still just a deplorable racist, sexist, whatever... 8)
Support Kenosha cops. NOT. No need for police with concealed carry licenses.
Quite possible this was the man who killed protesters last night.
I replaced my worn flag with a new "blue lives matters" flag, unsure if that now makes me a white supremacist, or am I still just a deplorable racist, sexist, whatever... 8)
If you keep flowing that flag after what happened this week you don't have to feel "unsure" anymore.
I replaced my worn flag with a new "blue lives matters" flag, unsure if that now makes me a white supremacist, or am I still just a deplorable racist, sexist, whatever... 8)
The "thin blue line" flag is not just a "dog whistle" in my region of the country, but a screaming air horn indicating that racists can be found nearby. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but you'll sure pull some tribalist racists in to listen.I refuse to argue about me, but your low opinion of me is noted. If I was that easy to cancel I'd be long gone already.
If you look at the flag it contains black and blue stripes also. There are many black and minority police officers. I support them allAll Lives Matter, right?
This discussion reminds me of this quote, which relates to anyones opinion of "which lives matter":
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... I don't need to have a certain skin color to know that.
Further evidence that Bill Barr believes that he's Trump's Attorney General and not the US Attorney General (or maybe Billy believes "l'etat c'est Trump."):
The Justice Department on Tuesday intervened in the defamation lawsuit brought by a woman who says President Trump raped her years ago, moving the matter to federal court and signaling it wants to make the U.S. government — rather than Trump himself — the defendant in the case.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/jean-carroll-trump-justice-department/2020/09/08/37faa380-f22a-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/jean-carroll-trump-justice-department/2020/09/08/37faa380-f22a-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html)
If someone is caught cheating at cards, you don't say, "Let's play some more hands and then we'll see." You throw the cheater out of the f*cking game. And that is what should have happened to Trump.He plays golf.
In case anyone's curious, this link contains (along with an article) the entirety of John Gleeson's amicus brief excoriating the DOJ for its move to dismiss the Flynn case.Don't bury the lede!
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/gleeson-in-bid-to-keep-flynn-case-alive-says-doj-acting-as-lackey-for-trump (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/gleeson-in-bid-to-keep-flynn-case-alive-says-doj-acting-as-lackey-for-trump)
To describe the Government’s Motion to Dismiss as irregular would be a study in understatement. In the United States, Presidents do not orchestrate pressure campaigns to get the Justice Department to drop charges against defendants who have pleaded guilty—twice, before two different judges—and whose guilt is obvious. And the Justice Department does not seek to dismiss criminal charges on grounds riddled with legal and factual error, then argue that the validity of those grounds cannot even be briefed to the Court that accepted the defendant’s guilty plea. Nor does the Justice Department make a practice of attacking its own prior filings in a case, as well as judicial opinions ruling in its favor, all while asserting that the normal rules should be set aside for a defendant who is openly favored by the President.So what's the over/under here on the posts talking about activist/biased judges?
Yet that is exactly what has unfolded here.
So what's the over/under here on the posts talking about activist/biased judges?Of course, Sullivan was appointed by a Republican president--it's kind of hard for conservatives to call him an activist judge (not that they wouldn't). My money is on Deep State--anybody that contradicts Trump or challenges his divine right to be the absolute ruler of this country must be part of the Deep State Conspiracy.
This flies in the face of the 24th amendment to the Constitution as well as the will of the voters, who explicitly opted to allow ex-convicts the right to vote.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809)
Because science must bend to meet the pronouncements of Dear Leader.
ince Michael Caputo, a former Trump campaign official with no medical or scientific background, was installed in April as the health department's new spokesperson, there have been substantial efforts to align the reports with Trump's statements, including the president's claims that fears about the outbreak are overstated, or stop the reports altogether.
Never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it; take advantage of every opportunity to raise a political whirlwind.
May all Republicans' children suffer from their parents' decisions.
Maybe Mat might reveal the source of the quote?It was from an OSS publication after WW2, titled "A Psychological Analysis of Adolph Hitler: His Life and Legend". However if you dig into it, it wasn't only about Hitler, and was more a characterization of his inner circle and the Nazi Party leadership as a whole. For example, many of the quotes were paraphrased directly from Goebbels, etc.
No. I'd rather hope they may "learn from their parents' mistakes".I realize the insensitivity of my post. I just don't feel that these are mistakes. I feel like people are rooting for the villain and are trying to "prove liberals wrong" with a weird and belligerent type of rebellion. People are mynah bird echoing(Trump talk) stuff like windmills cause cancer and kill 50% of the surrounding bird population... and they know better. It's a gamble on winning on a Hail Mary play while being a jerk. Not a mistake.
“Transsexual Satanist anarchist” wins GOP primary with campaign slogan “F**k the police”
Republicans voted for a bit strange figure in some sheriff elections in New Jersey:
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/09/transsexual-satanist-anarchist-wins-gop-primary-campaign-slogan-fk-police/
Well, checking who you're voting for isn't necessary, apparently... :o
The thought of him being re-elected, or imposing martial law because he loses, is what panics me.
Do not panic.
JR
Patriotism for the win across the country... :'(
I replaced my worn flag with a new "blue lives matters" flag, unsure if that now makes me a white supremacist, or am I still just a deplorable racist, sexist, whatever... 8)
Probably some wishful thinking and gossip... these guys don't leak stuff like the other team. The IG report suggested wrong doing but was not set up to issue indictments, the Durham investigation OTOH is and was designated a criminal investigation back in Oct 2019 signaling criminal charges could be forthcoming.It looks like the Durham report will be delayed until after the election. This is actually the way they are supposed to behave just before elections. It appears the investigation has expanded further as more criminal activity was uncovered, and was delayed by COVID safety practices hindering face to face interviews.
I don't expect Clinesmith to be the last but the first from this grand jury investigation.
It is also against the law for DOJ actions to intentionally influence elections (which seems all but impossible in this case). Perhaps thats why the Clinesmith announcement was made on sleepy summer friday afternoon. I'm sure President Trump sees this as political ammunition, but by law these political sensitive revalations need to be 60 days before the vote (sept 4th ) like two weeks from now. Durham hasn't even interviewed several witnesses like John Brennan.
Clearly Comey was not following the 60 day rule when he reopened the Hillary email investigation when he did just before the election. Fired AG Sally Yates threw Comey under the bus (saying that he went rogue). The rats are trying to distance themselves from each other.
Smarter people than me say that the 60 day rule does not apply to the Durham investigation because neither Biden or Trump are targets of the actual investigation. This could reflect poorly on VP Biden depending on how high up it goes but the messaging is telegraphing that Biden is not a target. There are more than enough miscreants who did enough bad stuff to send some corrective feedback.
The closest I've seen to this in my tender few years paying attention to domestic politics was Richard Nixon and the Watergate "plumbers" break into the DNC to steal opposition information. This seems worse by several degrees, Trump appears to have been spied on by a sitting administration using our own FBI and national intelligence community. Nixon's plumbers were amateurs by comparison.
Bannon appears to be caught with his hand in the cookie jar, hard to imagine what he was thinking if at all... He is a low level puke... but spying on american citizens for political purposes is unacceptable IMO. Clinesmith was just a cog in the gears grinding out this abuse of the system, not the leadership. He needs to get his wrist slapped and hopefully share what he knows.
For the record I do not claim this is anything more but the first drip from what I expect to me multiple revelations from the durham investigation.
JR
It appears the investigation has expanded further as more "criminal" activity was uncovered, and was delayed by COVID safety practices hindering face to face interviews.
When in doubt do what's right.
At least he understands business.
JR
...but his total debt is more than double that amount at $1.1 billion.
At least he understands business.If 1.1 billion is an accurate figure and 1/3 of our country(120 million) understood business like Trump, there would be 1.32E17 dollars in personal debt alone. This is 100 times ALL the money in the world. Good business model.
JR
My 15 year old daughter just turned around after the first 5 minutes and said "what is happening?". I really felt bad. :(That's what I sorta thought before RBG died. 2020 and Trump probably aren't finished with us just yet...
That was absolutely nuts.
Oh well onward and upwards... No where to go but up...
Your punchline is really funny, John. From what I gather they may be re-investigating Hillary's emails for the 8 millionth time--hard-hitting stuff. Until Durham starts looking into the role of the New York FBI office in pushing Trump's candidacy(there's plenty of evidence of that, but they were helping Trump, so they're obviously just "patriots"), I'll just assume his investigation is another partisan Republican witch hunt.Glad I can keep you amused.
EDIT: And surely you'd like an investigation into Trump's finances, just to make sure no foreign entity happens to pay Trump money or relieve him of one of his excessive debts while coincidentally Trump uses his power as president to effect US policy to favor said entity? Now that we're finally getting some insight into Trump's massive, personally guaranteed debts, I'd say that merits a much closer look.President Trump was a business man so didn't engineer a history of tax returns designed to read well politically. He is not being accused of breaking any laws, just doing what typical business people do, not what typical politicians do.
Not a debate - a clusterfuk. I couldn't watch the asshole's off-the wall nonsense for more than a few minutes; he's like a two year old having a tantrum, no getting through to him. Completely unmoderatable, non-stop blathering, couldn't shut his mouth even when Biden told him, "Will you shut up, man." That's when I left.
It is increasingly looking like Hillary planted the Russian collusion theme to distract attention from her email shenanigans.
President Trump was a business man so didn't engineer a history of tax returns designed to read well politically. He is not being accused of breaking any laws, just doing what typical business people do, not what typical politicians do.
Glad I can keep you amused.Conspiracy theory much?
It is increasingly looking like Hillary planted the Russian collusion theme to distract attention from her email shenanigans.
He is not being accused of breaking any laws,
including the failed impeachment attempt.
Does anyone really feel that either is qualified to lead the country?
Plenty of people say this every election.
Unfortunately it has been true for a rather long time. And a big part of the reason things are in such a mess as they are.
Unfortunately it has been true for a rather long time. And a big part of the reason things are in such a mess as they are.
They are both unqualified in the same way as jaywalking and first degree murder are both crimes.
Nancy Pelosi is asking for $2.4 Trillion Dollars to bailout poorly run, high crime, Democrat States, money that is in no way related to COVID-19...As usual, this is an easily refutable, baldfaced LIE.
As usual, this is an easily refutable, baldfaced LIE.
You are using the previous stimulus data to make conclusions about a future stimulus, which will not necessarily have the same distribution and allocation.Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. There's no evidence what he says is true based on past results, nor is there any evidence that it will be any different in the future. Hence, his statement is 100% untrue.
I thought the fly won the debate.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. There's no evidence what he says is true based on past results, nor is there any evidence that it will be any different in the future. Hence, his statement is 100% untrue.
If only politicians would answer questions directly.
From what I've seen of polls, women in general seem to have thought Harris won. It doesn't seem that they appreciated his 'CEO talking to a subordinate' approach. Her "I'm speaking" reinforced that. He was somewhat condescending in my limited male opinion,
Trump is truly unhingend at the moment, maybe the steroids have something to do with it...I agree - stop the dexamethasone (which he doesn't need anyway). Besides the underlying narcissistic personality disorder, steroid hypomania has broken out - in his case, bordering on actual mania. In addition to all the domestic law-and-order and other issues that can go off the rails, I hope that no foreign adversary threatens a war against the US.
“I’m back because I am perfect physical specimen and I'm extremely young, and so I am lucky in that way.”
Obese 74 year old with a heart condition (and maybe recent stroke) as well as current Covid-19 talking.
Pence talked over Harris extensively ...
Brody also suggested that these reactions
reflected an extreme version of a patient’s usual stress reaction.
https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)61160-9/pdf
That is not how logic and deductive reasoning work.So your theory is, we must conceive of the possibility that all the previous stimulus bills were spread out amongst the 50 states, however all of the future stimulus bills will only be targeted to blue states with Democratic governors? Therefore Trump statement was definitely true?
Therefore Trump statement was definitely true?
“Maybe I’ll have to leave the country? I don’t know.”[/i]
“Maybe I’ll have to leave the country? I don’t know.”[/i]
LOL. Paul, I had to login just to laugh at that... ;D
New campaign "vote for your life" for easily scared young people. There are some slick persuasion experts working this time.
JR
Breaking: Doesn't matter who you vote for. Nothing will change. It never does.
I have watched things change considerably across the past 35 years........The divide between the rich and the poor has widened.........
I have watched things change considerably across the past 35 years. The percentage of taxes that large corporations pay has changed immensely. The divide between the rich and the poor has widened. I could go on and on, but think there is no need. I feel your message is dangerous by influencing people to not vote. VOTE. It should be compulsory. Trump would have never had a chance to divide our country if this were the case. VOTE.You've watched 35 years of things getting progressively worse under Blue and Red governments.
Of course it's perfectly normal that Trump has a secret bank account in China.It's a corporate bank acct. Per the NYT:
That doesn't look suspect at all, does it?
If he's accusing his opponent of something you can bet he's been doing exactly what the accusation is.What I can't wait to hear is a) how it's actually Obama's fault, and b) how Hunter Biden is implicated.
Quid. Pro. Quo.
The way things work.
Quid. Pro. Quo.I think the reason he "doesn't want to" (can't) do it is because the quidgivers aren't very confident he'll be around to give them their quo.
Dutch 'Ethical' Hacker Logs Into Trump's Twitter Acount:(https://content.spiceworksstatic.com/service.community/p/post_images/0000340931/5c2fd03e/attached_image/C5NWwBkWIAAu02z.jpg)
Getting real, real tired of the data monopolies telling citizens what is ok to think or what is permissible to see.
https://articlesofunity.org/2020/08/unity2020-has-been-banned-on-twitter/ (https://articlesofunity.org/2020/08/unity2020-has-been-banned-on-twitter/)
If anyone is brandishing a firearm arm at your local polling place, outwardly harass them vocally while calling the police to file a charge of voter intimidation. A few martyrs might put this nonsensical BS to an end. WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY?! When it all breaks down, fortunately the “3 percenters” and other geniuses like them advertise where they live. That will make solving the problem much easier. Let’s hope for an uneventful Election Day and peaceful transfer of the executive branch to the appropriate recipient. BRANDISHING A WEAPON AS INTIMIDATION IS A CRIME. PERIOD.
Then I saw they were supporting Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw. Are you kidding me! Made me laugh out loud.
Republicans, this is who you stand with.You can read the link's directed narrative or watch the video, which shows an suv driving into a stupid trump truck's lane. ::)
I was reading the 'articles of unity' plan etc and thinking it was kind of interesting (though not original). Then I saw they were supporting Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw. Are you kidding me! Made me laugh out loud.
You can read the link's directed narrative or watch the video, which shows an suv driving into a stupid trump truck's lane. ::)
I saw the video. looks to me like there SUV tried to change lanes and the truck was in their blind spot. A common driving mishap just about everywhere. in turn the suv hit the truck and pulled away. again a common driving mishap especially in L.A. where we have over 10 million people in the county.
Face it the people don't like Harris.You don't like Harris. I like Harris. Weak men who can't handle intelligent, strong, assertive women don't like Harris. Most of what the right says about her is that she's mean and scary--utterly pathetic, sexist garbage.
You don't like Harris. I like Harris. Weak men who can't handle intelligent, strong, assertive women don't like Harris. Most of what the right says about her is that she's mean and scary--utterly pathetic, sexist garbage.
Like you said DMP, break up the monopolies like Teddy the Trust Buster.This will never happen with a weak government, and the Republican party has been adamantly focused on weakening the government since Reagan. Saying the government is the problem, championing de-regulation, etc
Wow, there are other reasons to not like her. There are reasons to not like Biden.I don't see any reason to mention the issues when Republicans are unable to deal with the fact that she's a strong, assertive (and did I mention brown?) woman. If we can't get past "She was so mean to Bill Barr!", what's the point in even mentioning her stance on issues?
it's the idea that if it doesn't make Biden look good on twitter it needs to go. When big data strips rights to a free press, most won't blink if the censorship aligns with politics.But that's not what's happening. The end of free speech is not coming about because platforms are trying to develop ways to stop weaponized propoganda based on total lies. The right to free speech does not extend to media platforms anyway.
I don't see any reason to mention the issues when Republicans are unable to deal with the fact that she's a strong, assertive (and did I mention brown?) woman. If we can't get past "She was so mean to Bill Barr!", what's the point in even mentioning her stance on issues?
wall st sellouts.It's not possible to compete unless the rules of the game are changed. Right now the best we can do is vote for the least awful
It's not possible to compete unless the rules of the game are changed. Right now the best we can do is vote for the least awful.
People accepting awful candidates just because they play for their team is a good reason Trump won in the first place.Don't forget that the right spent 25 years vilifying Hillary Clinton, which was as much a factor in Trump's victory as Trump himself was (and most of the vilifying was either completely false or making mountains out of molehills.) And also don't forget that "winner" Donald Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million--and that was with help from the Russians, as well as years of GOP vote suppression measures.
And also don't forget that "winner" Donald Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million--
You don't like Harris. I like Harris. Weak men who can't handle intelligent, strong, assertive women don't like Harris. Most of what the right says about her is that she's mean and scary--utterly pathetic, sexist garbage.. Harris was chosen by The dnc not the people . She dropped out early because no money no support. Now she’s next in line for president not because of people support. It’s fixed and a terrible non choice. But what else is new with these 2 parties. She’s the Manchurian candidate and did not earn the position. That’s my problem .
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
. Harris was chosen by The dnc not the people . She dropped out early because no money no support. Now she’s next in line for president not because of people support. It’s fixed and a terrible non choice. But what else is new with these 2 parties. She’s the Manchurian candidate and did not earn the position. That’s my problem .
More of the topic subject of this thread. Well done... One can make that case all day long on both sides, for the presidency as well, every election, deep into history.
. Harris was chosen by The dnc not the people . She dropped out early because no money no support. Now she’s next in line for president not because of people support. It’s fixed and a terrible non choice. But what else is new with these 2 parties. She’s the Manchurian candidate and did not earn the position. That’s my problem .Who wanted J. Danforth Quayle as VP? Or Sarah Palin? Or Joe Lieberman? Spiro Agnew? VPs are selected, not elected, and it's been that way for a mighty long time. Teddy Roosevelt wasn't a popular choice for VP either, but he turned out to be a far better president than most. So I guess what I'm saying is, so what? I'm sorry you don't like Harris, but she's a far more qualified and sane choice than many who have gone before her--in both parties.
You said they rolled the dice on with a non-establishment guy.
Yes. What don't you agree with?
That was the guy, of all guys/gals, voters decided was the best non-establishment person? Really? I mean really, really-really? Is this mic on? Can you hear yourself? I don’t understand this logic.
Today is election day in the US. Good luck to all my friends on the other side of the pond. I think you may need it.
Cheers
Ian
Huh? You seem to not be grasping the point. In 2016 you had choice A) Clinton (awful and establishment) against choice B) Trump (potentially awful but not establishment).. Given that situation it shouldn't be a shock that many voters decided to roll the dice with choice B.
I recently looked at a political map of the USA. Looks like the two coasts are largely Democrat and the centre is largely Republican. Is that similar to the North South divide here in the UK?
Cheers
Ian
Come on.Sorry, you lost me. Care to be a little more explicit for this 70 year old duffer?
The point is some of us want candidates who have principles, integrity, and not wall st sellouts.
Yes, it is a choice between awful and less awful, either way we will be worse off in 4 years. But it doesn't have to be this way. There was a non-awful candidate 4 years ago. And there were non-awful candidates in the primary this year. There are non-awful candidates in the general election. But the establishment always conspires against them. So why do you think the establishment will ever change the rules? No need to as long as people continue supporting them. The cycle will continue until people finally demand, and vote for non -awful candidates.
Sorry, you lost me. Care to be a little more explicit for this 70 year old duffer?
Cheers
Ian
How has Dick Cheney not been mentioned in this diatribe on VPs? Called the most powerful VP by historians, and serving with a poorly qualified Republican President
And the Harris administration after Joe is removed with the 25th amendment.
I saw a thing like a Dear Abby that kinda pointed out if we did have a United Countries of the World or something along those lines, China or India would be calling the shots with this type of thinking.....
Come on.
Who wanted J. Danforth Quayle as VP? Or Sarah Palin? Or Joe Lieberman? Spiro Agnew? VPs are selected, not elected, and it's been that way for a mighty long time. Teddy Roosevelt wasn't a popular choice for VP either, but he turned out to be a far better president than most. So I guess what I'm saying is, so what? I'm sorry you don't like Harris, but she's a far more qualified and sane choice than many who have gone before her--in both parties.I really liked Joe Lieberman, he was liberal but thoughtful and sensible. As I recall he got cancelled by his own party because he was too friendly toward the opposition.
I haven't voted yet... decisions decisions... ;D ;D You guys are running out of time to change my mind. ::)
JR
Going back to the Trump supporters and the Biden Bus.
More info is coming out about this - the group of Trump supporters organized in social media to go after the Biden bus. Firearms. Premeditated. Violent.
If you were saying the Trump group wasn't doing anything wrong and that the media was trying to push a made up narrative, etc... maybe re-assess YOUR prior beliefs that led to such a reaction to the video.
I don't think the USA or Americans need this kind of violent extremism.
We don't need a President that voices his support for violent extremist acts like this (Trump: "these patriots did nothing wrong")
It's time to for a change.
As well as burning court houses broken windows . Large groups of protesters in a Covid epidemic. Tear down history. Brown shirt antifa tactics . Systemic racism tactics all led from internet sites that tell were the riot is tonight. Cancel culture. Maybe all this is one in the same with the unhappy people of the lockdown era.
You mean Cindy Hyde Smith's embarrassing debate performance didn't change your mind already? If you cared about having a competent Senator rather than a Republican one, you'd vote for Espy.They both have track records and are well known by voters here...
Let's just stop it here. We won't change anything by posting...
You play the "they're all the same card", pretending neutrality, but here it becomes clear you're just one more consumer of right-wing online propaganda.
Yes another VP Acting as president By non choice.
Oh did I tell how I can’t stand Harris. And the Harris administration after Joe is removed with the 25th amendment. I guess it’s nice to have friends in low places.
I haven't voted yet... decisions decisions... ;D ;D You guys are running out of time to change my mind. ::)
As well as burning court houses broken windows . Large groups of protesters in a Covid epidemic. Tear down history. Brown shirt antifa tactics . Systemic racism tactics all led from internet sites that tell were the riot is tonight. Cancel culture. Maybe all this is one in the same with the unhappy people of the lockdown era.
Nor you mine? How did he get there in the first place?
Glass houses, man.
I don’t understand refusing to call out bad behavior from one side and instead reply with listing bad behavior from the other side. People have really learned to mimic politicians and 24-hour “news” very well!
My polling place is about a hundred yards away
I do live outside the US media bubble.
Might have you beat on that one. Walked across the street yesterday....and dropped off my mail in ballot. Seemed unnecessary given how uncrowded it was.My post office is literally across the street from me in the other direction.
It was actually the easiest time I've ever voted. Places here have been open for days now. I've seen the steadyy stream of traffic out my window, but never gotten too crowded . Contrast this with the same place during the primary where people needed to wait hours, makes you wonder why voting isn't always like this.I expect to eventually progress to voting electronically but we must never confuse major elections with American idol votes (so security and ID is really important). When I was young (and ignorant) I proposed voting via telephone networks...
My post office is literally across the street from me in the other direction.
Ya that’s seems to be going around a lot when you condemn one side and praise the other as solutions like there is no middle ground. Monkey see monkey do. Identity politics And what-about-ism seem to be the way this thread goes.
There wasn't exactly a plethora to choose from.
Well, people had truly either been in a bunker with no idea about the outside world during his campaign or simply voted for their party like a zombie.
So sorry for the whataboutism to my diy associates. I know the brewery and Election Day are good for making trouble . Tomorrow drink to whoever wins and move along.
It’s 77 today in Colorado and a beautiful day outside. I love where I live and would not trade for any other country in the world.
But you seem to have blinders on as to why a lot of people did. As they say, not learning from the past makes you doomed to repeat it.
I would say a lot of people have buyers remorse and were ready to abandon ship.... until the alternative became Biden / Harris.
A ticket of something like Yang / Gabbard would have gotten a lot to more crossover.
It's quite funny, and sad, that TMZ is a more reputable news source than Fox News and MSNBC.
I certainly would not put the BBC in the 'fact reporting' category.
I certainly would not put the BBC in the 'fact reporting' category.I recall listening to the Beeb with short wave radio back in the 1950s, they were authoritative back then, especially compared to Radio Moscow, or Radio Havana, Cuba. ::) Since then they seem inflicted with the same compulsion to tell people what to think about events, so much so that they started a broadcast service dedicated for the N. America market... No thank you
Cheers
Ian
We need to look out for funny business with mail in vote counting. I can understand waiting until the election to not waste effort if the vote isn't even close but why would a state suspend counting during an undecided vote? PA resumed counting this morning but Nevada is not reporting more results until Thursday. I can not think of any "good" reason to delay reporting votes, we can easily imagine bad reasons.
Let's count the all ballots. Even if certain people want to stop while they're ahead.Forget this BS about "funny business" with mail-in votes. Let's look at the real "funny business" with DeJoy drastically slowing mail delivery and defying court orders. That's a man who belongs behind bars for election interference.
Let's count the all ballots. Even if certain people want to stop while they're ahead.Indeed lets count all legal ballots.
His supporters take him seriously but not literally, his detractors take him literally but not seriously. This "stopping the legal vote count" is just the latest example of that.Things do not look positive for Trump. I predicted a while back (not here but to friends) that if he lost he would try to raise enough stink around the election that Biden would give him a pardon just to get him the f*ck out of the White House. And I'm really expecting him to try.
"Gore clusterfsck"? You mean when the conservative Supreme Court majority wrote that completely illogical ruling and stopped the count to give the election to their man? ;-)Don't guess, there are already news reports of mischief. A GOP poll watcher was denied access for something like 12 hours in Philly while 100k votes were being counted. The explanation for it was that it was a "mistake". ::) ::)
As for "funny business", my guess would be that there are watchers from both parties and Independents all around these ballots.
It looks a lot like the "red mirage" that was predicted, at least in Michigan and Wisconsin, maybe also Georgia, Pennsylvania and North Carolina, because yes, the uncounted mail has a high probability to skew heavily to the Democratic party.If the pre election polls were accurate there wouldn't be anything to recount some polls were off almost 10% in favor of VP Biden. The silent majority doesn't do polls.
Divided government is generally good for the markets, the government can do less damage that way.
Still, with the Senate not likely to end up with the Democrats there isn't much constructive legislation to be expected down the road. Two more years of stalemate.
I am not optimistic about a Biden (Harris?) Presidency but we could survive that too.
I’m curious of the (Harris?) part. Is that more already larger known team politics talking points or otherwise?
Vote recounts rarely change outcomes but it is always important to keep everybody honest.Honest!!!! That's super rich coming from a Republican. Particularly a Republican Trump supporter.
Honest!!!! That's super rich coming from a Republican. Particularly a Republican Trump supporter.
Honest!!!! That's super rich coming from a Republican. Particularly a Republican Trump supporter.stop with the personal trolling, veiled or otherwise.
A judge in PA just ruled that Republican monitors can watch the vote counting from only 6 feet away, the democrats were forcing them to watch from 20 feet away.
With the flurry of lawsuits coming (unless the final counts somehow end up red), the election will be "under audit" and nothing will change until that is completed, and we already know how long that will take.
We are really in for some sh*t, not to mention covid exploding.
Mitch and Lindseys’ re-election after flip-flopping arguments on Supreme Court nominations when the Constitution is absolutely clear to is the latest example. That is NOT something that should stand without consequence!Unfortunately, for GOP voters in KY and SC, this is the feature, not the bug. Do whatever it takes to win, unless a Democrat is doing it, at which point it becomes wrong.
Unfortunately, for GOP voters in KY and SC, this is the feature, not the bug. Do whatever it takes to win, unless a Democrat is doing it, at which point it becomes wrong.
What a major, MAJOR, EPIC win for the Trump campaign. Get the champagne!So you consider it a democratic loss that a judge stopped them from keeping republican ballot inspectors 20-30 feet away?
Widespread voter fraud has never been proven, but voter suppression in the US has a long and ugly history and is still ongoing. Why don't you direct your attention to that?
There was some good news from your state, btw:
https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/11/mississippi-measure-2-statewide-election-provision-jim-crow/
What the Trump campaign and supporters in different states are basically saying: "You have to stop in Georgia, keep going in Arizona, stop in Pennsylvania, keep going in Nevada, stop in North Carolina, recount Wisconsin, and ultimately let Brett Kavanaugh weigh in on all of it. That's what the founders would have wanted."
It's hilarious.
I love it when you guys school me about MS and America... ::)
Funny about Trump tweeting "stop the count", he would lose if the count were stopped when he said that.
PS: Sorry to hear you candidate Espy lost to Cindy (our first woman in congress) despite raising 3x the money ($9M vs her $3M). It was a good election for advertising sales.
Oh, he only wants to stop them counting Biden votes.It's a Schrödinger's Tweet: where he wants the counting to simultaneously continue and stop.
PS: Sorry to hear you candidate Espy lost to Cindy (our first woman in congress) despite raising 3x the money ($9M vs her $3M). It was a good election for advertising sales.I'm fully in agreement with you: hopefully this is instructive to the Democrats that it's not worth spending vast sums of money to try to win in red states full of people who are impervious to your message.
It's a Schrödinger's Tweet: where he wants the counting to simultaneously continue and stop.
Trump is currently going batsh!t loco on Twitter. Even if he's just pretending to lose it, as some on the right might wish us to believe (all part of the grand scheme, right?), he is speaking very irresponsibly. His words could push some of his more deluded supporters to violence.
To whom it may concern: interesting critical analysis of US political system by Jonathan Cook of Counterpunch:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/11/09/the-task-of-sleepy-joe-is-to-put-liberal-america-right-back-to-sleep/ (https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/11/09/the-task-of-sleepy-joe-is-to-put-liberal-america-right-back-to-sleep/)
If you like big money in politics watch the Georgia senate seat run offs coming in early Jan. Several seats in the last (this?) election drew over $100M in political spending, these two seats are projected to draw several times that amount.
Yes agree with his thoughts. And also how do you get the money out of politics? Every time there is campaign finance reform, There is even more corporate money poured into politics for favors .
Yes agree with his thoughts. And also how do you get the money out of politics? Every time there is campaign finance reform, There is even more corporate money poured into politics for favors .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/mississippi-lawmaker-state-should-secede-from-the-union-2020-11%3famp
Republicans, this is who you stand with. 'Murica. Freedom.
Mississippi is consistently ranked as having one of the highest ratios of its citizens receiving federal spending vs. taxes. Put bluntly, it's mostly the blue states that are paying for the red states.Your comments are quite accurate. Not only does that Republican lawmaker not understand what he's asking for, he doesn't even know what the word actually is... :o
But these things are only relevant for the reality based community...
(https://i.imgur.com/fY959gC.png?1)
“If Republicans don’t start condemning this stuff, then I think they’re really complicit in it,” Raffensperger told The Post. “It’s time to stand up and be counted. Are you going to stand for righteousness? Are you going to stand for integrity? Or are you going to stand for the wild mob?”
While I think Georgia SOS Brad Raffensperger could have started asking these questions 4+ years ago, I guess better late than never. Of course, he was happy to support Trump until the death threats were directed at him.
"U.S. net farm income this year will jump 43% to $119.6 billion, the highest inflation-adjusted level since 2013."
"Direct government aid, accounting for 39% of net farm income, rose to a record $46.5 billion from $22.4 billion last year."
So apparently the govt. gave out money to farmers to increase their profits--it's fair to say the entirety of that $24 billion profit increase came from the boost in federal handouts. Count on thrifty Republicans to give away lots of our tax $$$$ to potential voters in an election year.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/12/02/calls-for-martial-law-and-us-military-oversight-of-new-presidential-elections-draws-criticism/You talking to me?
Hey morally irreprehensible Republicans, here's your chance to sit back, keep your mouth shut and let your peers continue on... Silence is cooperation.
You talking to me?
Do you agree with election cheating?
Silence is cooperation.
JR
PS: My apologies for the whatabout... never heard of that group.
You talking to me?
Do you agree with election cheating?
Silence is cooperation.
JR
PS: My apologies for the whatabout... never heard of that group.
The right is using violence to push conspiracy theories. The left is using the law to debunk them. Trump appointed Republican judges are throwing out these cases because there is no evidence. I think you should provide them with the needed evidence since you seem to know where it is. I suppose the earth is flat, also.That is rich suggesting that the right is the side advocating violence, while there are fringe elements on both sides that are extreme.
edit: I should have said advocating violence, not using violence. Dangerous rhetoric, regardless.
https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/6455880002
...now I am. I guess that was a cool 3 million spent to improve the cheating. What a businessman!
Do you agree with election cheating?
I wonder if I'm really dense sometimes, or maybe if I struggle with communication via internet.
Are you saying that you buy into all of Trump's nonsense about election fraud? There are times when I feel I need things like this spelled out to me--maybe it's because I think you're too smart to buy into that garbage.
That is rich suggesting that the right is the side advocating violence, while there are fringe elements on both sides that are extreme.
We all have a stake in election integrity.
JR
John already congratulated "you know who" when, based on predictions, the media/networks called it for Biden.
He's very much far removed from your "low information" type voters that are on both sides of the aisle.
I can't speak for John, but I suspect he doesn't buy into the mass fraud stuff. But ?
Should go in the quotes thread - one of my favorites. :D
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/89-republicans-say-democratic-voting-process-did-not-work-well/#“Regardless of whether your preferred prudential candidate won, how well do you think the democratic voting process in the U.S. worked this year — very well, well, not too well or not well at all?” the survey asked.
...like I said...
Stand beside or speak out against. There is no middle ground when people start surrounding politicians' homes with arms. Period.
That is rich suggesting that the right is the side advocating violence, while there are fringe elements on both sides that are extreme.
We all have a stake in election integrity.
JR
...like I said...
https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/07/943820889/michigan-secretary-of-state-says-armed-protesters-descended-on-her-home-saturday
Stand beside or speak out against. There is no middle ground when people start surrounding politicians' homes with arms. Period.
so when others did this before, in the name of BLM, etc where were you?
I'm sure this was just an isolated innocent mistake. ::) ::) ::)
JR
Interesting look at where all those ultra-conservative judges come from:Thanks - interesting read - gotta hand it to the powers behind the repubs, they seem to have really elevated data mining to a new level - find the stupid and feed 'em.
https://billmoyers.com/story/new-podcast-the-shadow-network/#.X9U-beQ_psJ.facebook
so when others did this before, in the name of BLM, etc where were you?
Well, it shows that at least in GA you couldn't vote twice....or it shows voter suppression by trying not to count a mail-in ballot.
https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/12/12/they-are-our-enemies-n293225
Idiots looking for a fight...political affiliation? One guess.
Man says Jesus Christ is coming back???....
https://twitter.com/i/status/1337893474327203840
Sure... I can see that....
It's getting pretty bad out there though regardless of the spin...
I just saw this altercation ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuFu9-bfnQk&feature=emb_logo
I really want someone to offer up an analogous situation on the left.
Pretty simple. If you play the "both sides do it" game, then maybe you should have some evidence to back it up. Sometimes both sides aren't doing it, or there's a significant difference in the number or degree of offenses between the two sides. When someone provides evidence contradicting your argument, " I'm not sure I understand why the exercise is important though" is a pretty weak response.
Hopefully someone will be able to help you with that. I'm not sure I understand why the exercise is important though.
Pretty simple. If you play the "both sides do it" game, then maybe you should have some evidence to back it up. Sometimes both sides aren't doing it, or there's a significant difference in the number or degree of offenses between the two sides. When someone provides evidence contradicting your argument, " I'm not sure I understand why the exercise is important though" is a pretty weak response.
I apologize if this sounds pedantic or condescending, but I'm taking you at your word when you say you're not sure you understand.
Neat... Who would've thought...
I've used U-line before....
He's kinda Like the Bill Gates of all things office related I guess...
I feel you... I try to do things like that too...
Although I'd probably break my rules if they were the only game in town with any TP left...
Where's the DIY spirit now?There are people who order unironically from Amazon. What do you expect.