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MATTI

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« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2008, 09:34:13 PM »
There was a picture of Chameleon Labs trafos here with the same
1000pF on the input one

Matti


TomWaterman

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« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2008, 09:47:59 PM »
Yeah I have that pic too. It's obviouly not a schematic error... so I'd guess these trafos needed controlling more so than the originals.

One place to investigate when they arrive...

Svart

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« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2008, 12:47:02 AM »
another interesting thing is that the pic of the *possible* preamp that Gyraf found shows IC opamps while the schematic on this thread shows discretes..

I wonder which one of these designs these preamps will be.

Kinda makes me wish I had ordered some..
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« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2008, 04:01:40 AM »
This schematic doesn´t show any auxiliary circuits like
power supply or metering & leds ( for wich the opamps are used here ),
so I´d say these are the same 797 preamps, 81 in Gyraf´s pic.

Matti

rodabod

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« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2008, 09:42:55 AM »
Quote from: "TomWaterman"

Whats up with the excessive damping capacitance on the mic trafo secondary. Standard 10468 requires 180pF not 1000pF.

Wonder if the chinese trafos have substantial ringing and overshoot?


Probably. When we get them, I can test them against the Carnhill equivalents and also see if they've got the best values chosen there. Also, I wasn't sure if the original transformers would have a 12K strapped across the secondary too.

I'm not going to get in the mode where I decide everything is likely to be rubbish and decide what's going to be changed already. I'll test out what's there and see if anything is really holding it back. Just wait until people start discussing coupling caps...
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Baltimore

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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2008, 09:51:54 AM »
well, if these are similar to the chameleon labs stuff, and it looks like they are, they should sound pretty f'in good right out of the box.  i've used the CL stuff in a few different rooms and can't complain...and i thought that stuff sounded excellent for the price...

Svart

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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2008, 10:50:30 AM »
Quote
This schematic doesn´t show any auxiliary circuits like
power supply or metering & leds ( for wich the opamps are used here ),
so I´d say these are the same 797 preamps, 81 in Gyraf´s pic.


Look at the cards, there are opamps on each board:

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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2008, 10:53:18 AM »
Yes, there are but not in the AUDIO circuit

Cheers

Matti

ioaudio

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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2008, 10:54:23 AM »
overload/clip led for each stage. transistors in the back.

funny way of marking the caps in the schematics.

rodabod

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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2008, 12:34:06 PM »
From looking at the schematic, I thought they might have been a bit more subtle with their Neve-inspired preamp... Still, I'd rather have that than anything else I suppose.
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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2008, 12:41:25 PM »
As said there are enough transistors in the photo to form the discrete amp stages and there are so many clip leds on this device. God knows why but that is what the IC's are.

I agree with Roddy, there's not much point deciding to rip them apart before they get here. Chameleons do sound really good, so I don't think these will sound bad at all.

Roddy mentioned coupling caps... I don't see many tantalums but must listen first before judging.

I'll try and organise a shoot out with some real Neve on a variety of sources when they get here. Maybe piano, drums, ac guitar and vocal.

-T

gareth.h.rees

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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2008, 01:41:19 PM »
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I'll try and organise a shoot out with some real Neve on a variety of sources when they get here. Maybe piano, drums, ac guitar and vocal.


That would be amazing! Except it may make me wish I ordered more!

Cheers
Gareth

Jim50hertz

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« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2008, 06:55:39 AM »
Quote from: "TomWaterman"
I'll try and organise a shoot out with some real Neve on a variety of sources when they get here. Maybe piano, drums, ac guitar and vocal.

-T


+1 on that.  Tom, that's a fine offer and I think would be very useful to the folks who've bought these.  Many thanks :thumb:

Cheers

Jim
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crazydoc

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« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2008, 04:39:53 PM »
Looks like 3Q3 got left hanging. Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the schematic.
Luckily, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

EEMO1

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« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2008, 03:54:05 AM »
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I'd just like to say, can we please leave the arguing over at Gearslutz and Homerecording? We don't need that here.



 2nd that.

playboss

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« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2008, 10:48:53 AM »
2nd what?
anyway, tought I post this
http://tinyurl.com/46dfn7

 :green:
Oh man... the bullsh*t piled up so fast in Vietnam, you needed wings to stay above it.

okgb

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« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2008, 07:12:52 AM »
2nd , not turning this into a *****fest ............which i 3rd
how may i help
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clintrubber

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« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2008, 09:41:09 AM »
Been away for a week, amazed a bit by all the action here (and indeed lame to see all those other discussions 'elsewhere').

Cool the schematics popped up, thanks  :thumb:
I guess it'd be safe to say now that the output-stage of the ACMP-81 is identical to the -73 & -84 (so class-A, '3055, gapped TX bla bla bla) or what do you guys think ?

Bye,

  Peter

rodabod

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« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »
Quote from: "clintrubber"

I guess it'd be safe to say now that the output-stage of the ACMP-81 is identical to the -73 & -84 (so class-A, '3055, gapped TX bla bla bla) or what do you guys think ?


I reckon this is probably likely.
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W DeMarco

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« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2008, 12:19:45 PM »
edit/delete

sorry read the original thread Im up to speed now