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rodabod

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Hi, Just wondering if anyone has any experience here?

I have a set of JBL L20T3 speakers which I use as monitors that were sold to the HiFi market, but based on one of their studio designs, the 4406.

The difference between the two is that mine have the bass port mounted on the rear, and they share a different cross-over, mine ommitting the L-pad which provides treble level control. Otherwise, the cab volume, drivers, etc. are identical.

It was suggested that I try the studio version's crossover with my speakers to see the difference, but I wanted to clarify the technical differences first. Essentially, it's the same crossover with different component values, and the studio version (4406) only uses film caps:

http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/HOM/Technical%20Sheet/L20t3%20ts.pdf

http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Studio%20Monitor%20Series/4406.pdf

Anyway, I decided I'd try and plot the responses in Spice, and the following two images show the results. I left the L-pad in the 4066 cross-over at full (8 Ohms):

L20T3: http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spicel20t3.png

4406: http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spice4406.png

The main differences I can see are, the L20T3 has a lower cross-over frequency of ~2KHz compared to ~3KHz, and the treble response in the linear region is around -6dB as opposed to -5dB for the 4066.


I don't have the luxury of an anechoic chamber, so I guess my question is, do you reckon this is worth giving a go? Comparing will be tricky with only one speaker at a time.
 
rodabod said:
Hi, Just wondering if anyone has any experience here?

I have a set of JBL L20T3 speakers which I use as monitors that were sold to the HiFi market, but based on one of their studio designs, the 4406.

The difference between the two is that mine have the bass port mounted on the rear, and they share a different cross-over, mine ommitting the L-pad which provides treble level control. Otherwise, the cab volume, drivers, etc. are identical.

It was suggested that I try the studio version's crossover with my speakers to see the difference, but I wanted to clarify the technical differences first. Essentially, it's the same crossover with different component values, and the studio version (4406) only uses film caps:

http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/HOM/Technical%20Sheet/L20t3%20ts.pdf

http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Studio%20Monitor%20Series/4406.pdf

Anyway, I decided I'd try and plot the responses in Spice, and the following two images show the results. I left the L-pad in the 4066 cross-over at full (8 Ohms):

L20T3: http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spicel20t3.png

4406: http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spice4406.png

The main differences I can see are, the L20T3 has a lower cross-over frequency of ~2KHz compared to ~3KHz, and the treble response in the linear region is around -6dB as opposed to -5dB for the 4066.


I don't have the luxury of an anechoic chamber, so I guess my question is, do you reckon this is worth giving a go? Comparing will be tricky with only one speaker at a time.
Although these two products use the same components, they are aimed at two different markets, HiFi and home-studio. I have the feeling they chose a higher x-over point for the home-studio version in order to provide more protection to the tweeter, and the lowest in the HiFi version to tune down some mids. It may also be justified by the different cabinets having different refraction. I believe the 4406 has a sculpted front baffle that may introduce some frequency response differences.
Anyway, both are probably equally respectable, but there is definitely some improvements to be had by replacing the iron-core inductance by an air-core type, and replacing the nonpol caps with film caps. You can also note the half-assed attempt to provide a dual to the LF element's reactance on the 4406. Ideally, a Zobel network would provide the proper reactance compensation.
 
The main differences I can see are, the L20T3 has a lower cross-over frequency of ~2KHz compared to ~3KHz, and the treble response in the linear region is around -6dB as opposed to -5dB for the 4066.
Logical, one crossover is for far-field listening and the other one is for mid-field or near-field. Studio version should be one with adjustable FBC because of close, mid, far, listening adjustment
 

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