Mini Resistors vs Regular Sized

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Siegfried Meier

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Every once in a while, I order new resistors and mini ones show up.  They spec out the same, and I always think I'm ordering the regular sized ones but can't tell from the pics on Digikey or Mouser.  Is there any difference?  Should I not be using them in place of regular sized ones?  I just don't really know the difference, if there is one...

Thanks!
Sig
 
Hmmm, well I don't have any part numbers right now.  Some of these were bought a while back and just thrown into my labeled parts bins.

So, should I stay away from them for now just in case?  I'm building up a pair of Martin's 1272 line boards...

Thanks!
Sig
 
Siegfried Meier said:
Hmmm, well I don't have any part numbers right now.

You have to give us something to work with. Dimensions of what you consider to be 'small' vs 'normal' would be a good start.

(IMHO everyone who does DIY needs a caliper; even a $10 model from the local hardware store will easily resolve down to 0.1mm)

JamesW said:
No same wattage lower Max. voltage.

I'm willing to bet money that for the same technology both wattage and max voltage will be lower for a smaller part.

Case in point: the Vishay MBA/SMA series. The 0204 body size measures 3.6mm x 1.6mm (l x dia), and is rated for 200V/0.4W; the 0207 body size measures 6.3mm x 2.5mm and is rated for 350V/0.6W.

JD "size may matter" B.
 
Ya, I've got a $100 digital caliper here.

The small resistor measures 1.85mm around, while the larger ones are 2.24mm.

And here's a picture.  These happen to both be 270 ohms, but I have several different values that have sizes like the smaller one.

Resistor.jpg


Thanks,
Sig
 
> bet money that for the same technology both wattage and max voltage will be lower for a smaller part.

Of course... but the cost of materials and the general shrinkage of gear means many newer parts are NOT the same old painted carbon technology. I've handled resistors smaller than a traditional 1W part yet rated 3W. What happens is they run 3 times hotter. That would burn the paint off, so they use ceramic glaze. Thermal expansion would be bad, so they diddle the leg-metal alloy and the body construction so it stays together at red-heat.

If you read the very fine print: the voltage-limit may or may not be lower. Carbon-composition had a real limit before you got arcs between the individual particles of carbon. And the general direction of modern electronics means "nobody" cares about voltage rating: everything is 3.3V or lower. You found specs suggesting 50V/mm, but do they actually make trouble past there or is it just all they are tested for?

And the peak transient power (critical for some B+ RC filters) is a function of both temperature limit and total amount of stuff (mass times specific heat). Even with higher temp limit, there is no replacement for "big".

For the general run of audio (not tubes, not power amps), I see no problem with any resistor big enough to pick up with your fingers. Tube preamp plate resistors should be calculated. Preferably on FULL supply voltage (so they don't burn the first time a tube shorts). Tube amp B+ dropping/filtering resistors should be grossly oversize, generally a large 5W part. Power amps have many small resistors and a few big ones.

And in DIY, it is better to super-size than to miniaturize. Your labor is worth more than the resistor. It is also wise to shop specialist suppliers: tube guitar-amp shops stock "full size" resistors because that's what their customers want and need.
 
I did the same mistake they work ok.
But i never used them near in active eletronics only pads....shunts...etc.
Thanks
 
Nevermind i can't read the bigger parts anymore
although that blue background doesn't help
red , brown & orange look alike in certain light
 
To quote Doug Self: "A physically large resistor has lower excess noise than a small resistor. In the same range, the highest wattage versions have the lowest noise."

There are measurements presented to back this up in his latest book.
 

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