plasma metering ??

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I just got the surplus plasma displays from Helmut Singer to work, with a bit of help and a example schematic from another forum. Looks beautiful and $$$, but i have no camera :(.

The "scanning" is very similar to the Decatron (counting tube) principle. The cathodes are arranged in three (or 5 with other meters) groups like this:

[reset cathode][1][2][3][1][2][3][1][2][3][1][2][3][1][2][3][1][2][3][1][2][3][1][2][3][1][2][3]

All with a common anode. You pull the reset cathode to ground potential and then go around repeating pulling the [1],[2],[3] cathodes to ground. After each switching the glow discharge will jump to the nearest grounded cathode, thus wandering to the right. This is done until the discharge has reached the last cathode. To control the length of the bar, the anode voltage is lowered after the needed number of pulses, switching the discharge of for the rest of the cycle. This allows connecting the cathodes of several displays in parallel and only switching the anodes.

All this is way easier than it looks, with a µC (i used a €2.75 AtMega8), 6 transistors, a few resistors and a 250V and 72V supply (just a few mA). The µC can be replaced with a bucketful of logic ICs, a DAC and a comparator per channel...

If there is interest, i can post a schematic and the µC program (when the latter is readable and AD is implemented ;) )

If someone has a schematic for a log rectifier etc. without using $8 ICs, this could become interesting...

EDIT:
@Keith: I would be very interested in your documents, if you happen to find the time.


;Matthias
 
I'm interested in your solution EZ81....I'm looking to do something similar with the PrimeLED bargraphs.

What do you program your microcontroller in, C?

Cheers,

Kris
 
[quote author="EZ81"] @Keith: I would be very interested in your documents, if you happen to find the time.[/quote]
PM me your email address. I'll get you a pdf of what I have.

keith
 
Plasmas are a pain. You need a nice HT supply (which you might have if you're building tube gear) but then you need a 6-step ladder driver, a master ballistics curve generator, and a comparator for each channel.

It's way tricky. I have six plasmas here, I'm trying to scrape together the balls to build a driver for them.

As a person who has had to maintain MCI and Neve plasma meters for the last 28 years, I agree wholeheartedly with Keith.

They require many support chips and lots of 300v everywhere. I do like 'em way better than led's but never had the inclination to build that much support circuitry just for metering.

And without impeccable grounding hygene, they will sing in your mix.
 
@Kris: Assembler. For a bigger program i would want to use a readable language, though :wink: Multiplexing the PrimeLED is probably not that different...

@Keith: Thanks for the documents. Really looks like a pain...

This is a simplified drawing of the operating principle as described by several people above:
PPM_circuit1.png


PPM_timing.png

In this example, 10 segments (including reset, the keep alive cathode is not visible) would light up, because the anode voltage is shut off (in reality only lowered to 100V) after the discharge has reached cathode #10. Timing is taken from the PBG122001 datasheet.



This is the schematic i used:
schematic1.png


Here is the assembler program for an AtMega8 uC. It does only convert 2 input voltages (0..4V, but this can be changed by using a different reference voltage) into 2 bar lengths (sp?), not log, no ballistics etc.

;Matthias
 
I found a complete discription of this schematics with all you need to build a stereo indicator with a logarithmic style from -50 to +5 dB.

There are all schematics and the PCB-layouts on the side.

The side is in german, but you can use google to translate it.


german:

http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Glimmroehre-Stereo-Anzeige/Beschreibung.htm

english (translated with google):

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Glimmroehre-Stereo-Anzeige/Beschreibung.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DStereo-Balkenanzeige%2Bmit%2Bder%2BAnzeiger%25C3%25B6hre%2BPBG12201%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG


Have fun!

Dirk
 
If anyone is interested, I found an ancient Burroughs plasma spec sheet and posted it here:

http://www.brianroth.com/library/apnote-bg101c.pdf

Bri
 
If somebody want bargraph meters ..I have few from MCI 500 desks...make an offer..I have 2-3 for sale....
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/4-RTW-Plasma-Stereo-VU-Meters-with-XLR-DIN-inputs_W0QQitemZ7409721745QQcategoryZ113484QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting


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