Rochey

Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« on: November 10, 2012, 01:11:14 AM »
Hello Folks,



This is the Eden Microphone Preamplifier from Expat Audio.
It comes are a completed module that only needs to be hooked up.
In fact, all it needs is power, input, output and a gain setting resistor.

It's assembled and tested here in Texas, USA.

Similar Systems
IC Mic Pre's like this have been used many systems, such the Toft ATB Console, Trident S-20 mic pre, the DAV BG1mic pre, Symetrix 302, dbx760X, D+R and Amek consoles. (that list from searching online)

Performance
It has flat THD+N at 30dB of gain as low as 0.003%, all the way to 30kHz (higher I believe - but the audio test kit isn't quite up to it).
At 60dB of gain (max setting) the THD+N is still very impressive at 0.04%. (again, flat all the way!)

When will it be available?
Now Available at Expataudio.com

How much will it cost?
Fully assembled and tested. (all the parts you need).
1x set $79.99
4x set $239.99 (equivalent of $59.99)

Where can I buy it?
Please head on over to: http://expataudio.myshopify.com/products/eden-microphone-preamplifier

What about the parts?
A full bill of materials for a 4ch 1U Eden system can be found at: http://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=54445.0
However, the Eden board itself comes fully assembled. You only need to add a front end (switches for phantom, phase etc) and a gain control resistor.

Is there a case available for it? I hate making my own cases!"
Yes - Head on over to http://www.collectivecases.com


Cheers

Rochey
« Last Edit: September 25, 2015, 11:21:09 PM by Rochey »
Expat Audio Home: http://www.expataudio.com


3nity

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2012, 09:30:48 AM »
More pix please!! ;)
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Matador

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 08:31:03 PM »
I designed and built a handful of these INA163 reference design boards last year (INA163 front end, OPA134 DC servo, and DRV134 balanced driver).  I really like it!  It's super clean and detailed, tons of gain, and you can literally stuff dozens of them into a 2U rack.



Nice job!

Rochey

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 11:02:38 PM »
Matador,

that's awesome! I think i saw your thread last year. I've been dabbling with the intention to make this circuit for a few years. When I picked up a used pick and place assembly machine earlier this year, I saw this as one of the first projects I could do that'd be a great pipe cleaner for the assembly setup!

It's awesome where it all comes together, and the performance through the circuit really is stunning. Very clean with acres of gain!

I'll have more pics up later this evening.

Cheers

/R
Expat Audio Home: http://www.expataudio.com

Rochey

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 11:53:10 PM »
3nity,

you wanted more pictures...

-- Top down of the same board. For reference the board is less than 2.5" x 2"

I started putting together a dual mic pre box. (just floor planning right now,I need to order some more parts from Mouser to finish it).
Wanted to share nonetheless. I love the LED switches on the 3 button controller, but i'm regretting putting XLR Inputs on the front panel. They busy things up WAY too much!


The digital rail for the LED's and the relays on the input board can be run separately from the analog mic pre supplies. I'm planning on using a el-cheapo wall wart. Maybe even a USb cell charger. The Power domains never mix, so I'm not too worried about noisy crosstalk issues.

The system will use
1x Expat Audio's Uber Power supply
4x Expat Audio 3 Button Controller (didn't actually need 4... i had 4 on the front panel I made 3 years ago!)
2x Expat Audio Digitally Controlled Mic FE's
2x Expat Audio Eden Mic Preamp Modules







Cheers

/R
Expat Audio Home: http://www.expataudio.com

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2012, 01:13:54 AM »
Such a big case for 4 little boards!

Doesn't matter. Nice work!

Rochey

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2012, 01:16:20 AM »
yeah, next time I'll put all connectors on the back, and run 4x Mic Pre's in the case.
I could probably get away with a 8" depth on the case. maybe even less.

When I purchased this case from par metal 3 years ago, I wasn't too sure what was going to end up in it.

How about we say that this Mic Pre has amazing "Air"???? :)

Geddit?  :P

/R
Expat Audio Home: http://www.expataudio.com

usekgb

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2012, 01:17:43 AM »
Looking good Rochey!  Keep us up to date on this.
Zach Griffen Audio
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Kid Squid

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2012, 03:41:07 AM »
Really slick work, Daf !!
It is not the same as 4+12, nor is it the same as 4+8, but 4+12 IS the same as 4+8+12....

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tmuikku

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 05:16:43 AM »
Are the mic pre and controller PCBs same size, can you stack them to get smaller footprint?


Ptownkid

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 07:30:57 AM »
Are the mic pre and controller PCBs same size, can you stack them to get smaller footprint?

If they aren't...they will be next round, great idea!

tmuikku

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 07:50:25 AM »
Further, align some connectors on both PCBs to get rid of wiring between the boards with board-to-board connectors ;)

Rochey

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 08:27:30 AM »
Great inputs folks!

(but don't let that stop you!!!!)

 :)
Expat Audio Home: http://www.expataudio.com

Rochey

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 08:28:22 AM »
Really slick work, Daf !!
Diolch Steve, much appreciated.

Expat Audio Home: http://www.expataudio.com

Rochey


SSLtech

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2012, 02:18:00 PM »
I've got four of these on the bench here... a pre-production variant, but the same exact circuit.

My measurements here confirm Rochey's numbers, and in addition I've done some noise rejection 'torture testing'. -Despite some deliberately noisy cable runs, they are exemplary in producing clean signal, even at high gains!

I'm putting these four in a case right now, and the weekend after next I have a gig with the Messiah Choral Society, where the cable runs from the suspended mic positions above the stage are in excess of 500 feet, past power runs etc . -This will be an excellent opportunity to see how well they do under exaggeratedly 'vulnerable' conditions.

So far I'm extremely impressed with these little buggers... -More observations to come, as real world testing continues.

My initial impression so far is that these really are most excellent preamps for when you need some more inputs. (and who among us couldn't use a few more inputs!?!) -For the price they're incredible, and they fit comfortably into tiny spaces. -A single-gang pot (readily available) or -alternatively- a multi-position switch and resistors (for stepped-gain applications) is all you need other than an input connector, an output connector and power.

Simple, VERY affordable, but incredibly impressive figures. Listening impressions are "super-clear".
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind"
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mrclunk

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2012, 04:48:48 AM »
They look great chaps!
How about a video of the pick'n'place in action?

How do think they will behave with low impedance ribbon mics?
The data sheet talks about an ideal source impedances of 200ohms, but my fav ribbons are 50 ohms. 
Are there pads on the pcb to implement the 'input stabilisation network' mentioned in the data sheet, might be necessary with low imp. ribbons?

Noise figures bloody impressive! A couple of these could be the answer for recording quite sources with ribbons.


Rochey

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2012, 12:14:09 PM »
Thats a really great question!
I hadnt considered the load that ribbons can impose on a mic pre when i initially laid out the circuit.

On the available boards the are "pre-cap-in" connectors ans "post-cap-in" connectors. The idea being that customers can put their dc blocking cap on-pcb or off", depending on size etc.

That means that there is room for a series circuit between the input connector (pre-cap) and the ina163.

With a little elbowgrease, you could put theinductor and resistor required in parallel into those pins.

As for a video of the production setup, I'll definately do one soon. I dont really have good video editing skills or hardware, so it might be a quick'n'dirty job. Hopefully that's okay! :)

Cheers

Rochey
Expat Audio Home: http://www.expataudio.com

SSLtech

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2012, 02:35:00 PM »
Yes, for "ribbon-specific" applications, -since people like Millennia Media make preamps WITHOUT the DC-blocker capacitors, I assumed that people might want to replace the DC-blocking caps with the stabilization network, since they would connect on the same pins.

Getting a bit behind with the mechanical build for next weekend... back to work, heads-down!
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind"
Quote from: PRR
Ah, but that was 1999; we don't party like that any more.

Matador

Re: Expat Audio EDEN Microphone Preamplifier
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2012, 03:55:31 PM »
These are inexpensive enough that I built a pair without caps specifically for use with dynamic's, and two with for condenser applications.