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abbey road d enfer

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Hi,
I'm considering moving from the old continent to the Pearl River/Slidell/Mandeville area.
I want to be not too far from New Orleans, but want significant acreage.
I've seen a number of properties that fit the bill, but I'm somewhat concerned with a number of details.
I see many of these properties have well water; are there any issues with that?
Also, as I'm not really familiar with the US construction, what does "vinyl siding" means?
My main motivation is I want to move to an area where there's music everyday, but I can't drive everyday (and drive back everynight) from Pearl River to NO.
Is there enough live music of interest and quality in the Pearl River.Slidell/Mandeville area?
All comments are welcome.
Compared to Europe, real estate is quite affordable in the area; is there a catch?
 
How much time have you spent in the area?  While now is a relatively good time to buy properly in the US I'd caution about making a large land purchase from a distance without living in the area for a while (check 100 year flood plain maps, etc).

While I live only one state away (several hours) I am reluctant to offer a personal opinion. I haven't visited NO since before hurricane Katrina, I probably need to again. Certainly fun to visit.

JR
 
Vinyl siding goes on the outside of a house, often over the original wood siding, and is designed to look like wood siding.  Of course, when you get close & touch it, it feels like thin plastic.  It's generally considered a bit tacky, but on the plus side it never needs painting. 
 
JohnRoberts said:
How much time have you spent in the area?  While now is a relatively good time to buy properly in the US I'd caution about making a large land purchase from a distance without living in the area for a while (check 100 year flood plain maps, etc).

While I live only one state away (several hours) I am reluctant to offer a personal opinion. I haven't visited NO since before hurricane Katrina, I probably need to again. Certainly fun to visit.

JR
I've been twice in NO since Katrina. Love it there. I agree, I need to review all these aspects (I was more or less expecting someone who lives there could give me insider information).
I plan to go to NO next April for about a month and check real estate there.
 
hodad said:
Vinyl siding goes on the outside of a house, often over the original wood siding, and is designed to look like wood siding.  Of course, when you get close & touch it, it feels like thin plastic.  It's generally considered a bit tacky, but on the plus side it never needs painting.
OK, thanks for the info; I need to learn more about US construction techniques.
 
abbey road d enfer said:
JohnRoberts said:
How much time have you spent in the area?  While now is a relatively good time to buy properly in the US I'd caution about making a large land purchase from a distance without living in the area for a while (check 100 year flood plain maps, etc).

While I live only one state away (several hours) I am reluctant to offer a personal opinion. I haven't visited NO since before hurricane Katrina, I probably need to again. Certainly fun to visit.

JR
I've been twice in NO since Katrina. Love it there. I agree, I need to review all these aspects (I was more or less expecting someone who lives there could give me insider information).
I plan to go to NO next April for about a month and check real estate there.

April is good.. there is a 10k race in NO  april 19th that draws a few 10k runners. Nice flat course, beer at finish line. good time. Race used to start in the quarter and end out by the zoo (Audubon Park?). You could even take a riverboat ride back downtown from the finish.

Louisiana is a pretty poor state with lots of low ground. They have been spanked by several hurricanes, while MS coastline probably took more of hit than NO from Katrina. I recall seeing one article about a land developer who owns a huge parcel of dry ground the government is trying to restrict it somehow to block development.

New building standards in several states bordering the Gulf coast and prone to hurricane damage have increased the strength of roofs et al, but old building will be built to old standards, and vinyl is not generally associated with high quality construction materials.

In the south you also need to be on the lookout for termite damage, mold from the humidity, etc. There are long term issues with the MS river mouth sedimentation and coastal wetlands destruction. NO is barely keeping the dikes and pumps system up to speed (some of NO is below sea level.)

Bobby Jindal the governor of LA is conservative and trying hard but they are a poor state, and made poorer by Katrina.  As you probably know NO lost a lot of it's population who were moved to shelter in nearby regions after Katrina and never came back, this is not good or bad, just is. The poverty in NO before Katrina was horrible and mostly ignored. After these people were displaced there was little reason to return. The lower population is probably a blessing in disguise. Since Katrina the demographics of the city are smaller whiter and wealthier. It could not very easily go the other way.

I considered relocating to NO because I love the city and it's culture and it should be relatively cheap, but the poverty and crime were a little disconcerting to me. Who knows, never say never. I need to take a road trip. I haven't been down there in years and could use some fresh beignets and a "debris" sandwich.  8) Maybe I need to consider running in the Crescent City classic 10k next year.

JR
 
I would really recommend a "longer than a holiday" visit before such a commitment.  Not only do you have to get to know a specific area but the feel for the properties offered.  Theres no catch- the properties are cheap because there is hyeck-all going on there.  If you live off a trust fund then no problem.  If you have to pay the mortgage with a job then you are in competition with scores of others trying to do the same.

If you decide to stay then rent a place for six months.  It usually takes that long to feel an area, see 50 or so properties, and be ready to be the first to pounce when a gem goes on the market.  The houses I purchased were first day on the market and I was first in.  I only got there by looking at all sorts of dogs while getting to know the neighborhoods and two good realtors.  You will know a gem by then.

Mike
 
Wells.... do not buy a well until the water is tested. (Real-Estate agent knows the testing services.) Basic test, which *may* be state-required, is "e-coli". These are poop-germs. e-coli are mostly harmless, but their presence suggests poop gets in the well and there's far worse germs possible.

Poop because if it has a well, it probably has a Septic System. Your poop flows to an underground tank which overflows in a gravel leach-field. These systems are mostly trouble-free, until they go bad, which is very bad. Use your nose. Ask when the tank was pumped.

Likewise wells are fairly trouble-free until they go bad. A $300-$900 pump every 5-20 years is par. A well which runs dry (naturally, or because you or your neighbors pump too much) is a major expense.

There's other water problems depending where you are. Here I have significant Iron, Manganese, and maybe Arsenic and Radon. The Fe/Mn means toilet and tub are always brown; health effects are unlikely. In other areas, fertilizer and oil/gasoline seeps are problems. Read your state health department's website. Opt for a $200 water test instead of the $49 basic test.

US houses are slab or cellar, 2x4 frame*, waferboard outside and gypsumboard inside, with fiberglass fuzz between. Exterior cladding is often Vinyl Siding, a very practical product. Aluminum siding has been sold. Both pretend to be English Colonies type split wood siding (known from England and widely used in America because trees were weeds). Here in Maine we favor true wood siding from Canada, though vinyl is fairly common. There's also true brick cladding, fake-brick, stucco. (* In most areas we need >5" of insulation so 2x6 is the new 2x4 studding.) Roofs are universally heavy textured tar-paper ("asphalt shingles") except southwest they like clay/cement tile, and tin-roof is very practical in heavy rain. On the beach or in swamps, foundation may be pilings.

US houses are, by european standards, YOUNG and CHEAP. We move every 5-15 years. Our neighborhoods gentrify (or decay) so a home that is 50yo has probably been added-on and remodeled beyond recognition; in B'ville they tore-down not-so-old cottages to build huge new houses. If you want land, buy something you can sleep in (I declined a house with holes in the roof) and then change what you don't like. If you don't wanna go up on the roof, this economy is a great time to hire work done. ("$40K in 2007" garage+loft done for $20K in 2012.)

Know where the internet is!! When I moved here, at first I had only 56K on a POTS. If there are fewer than 25 houses per mile of street, you won't have DSL, a fairly fast and cheap service. (Fiber-optic only in dense rich areas.) In much of rural US, the fallback is Cable Television. The peak speed is high but you rarely see that. Base average speed is adequate 22 hours a day, slow if the local kids are streaming NetFlix or porn-lovers hog the line. It's a shared line. You can buy a larger share but it isn't cheap. If it is through Time Warner, the base speed is expensive for what you get, they hide extra fees, and baffle you with "Bundles" so you can't know what you are really getting. (They also had a real problem getting us into their computer, hence the 2 months of 56K.) Cell-fone is becoming practical internet, but check coverage: when I moved in here we had to go out in the driveway to get 2 bars. (Last year they put a tower behind the graveyard and it is 5 bars all around.) In rural areas it won't be 4G/5G service (whatever that is).

> Pearl River/Slidell/Mandeville

Whoops. That's not what I'd call rural. It is, or will soon be, a bedroom suburb of New Orelans. If you own land, and IF the economy turns around, you will be rich. Along the way you may get city water and decent internet. Also traffic and crime, then police and taxes. (I have no police and low-low taxes.)
 
There will always be a catch, some are major, some are minor.  If you ask me I would see if you could sublet a place for several months to get a lay of the land and then make a decision.  I made a huge leap 13+ years ago to come to L.A., it worked out but I was not changing countries. 
 
Thanks for all your answers. I think the idea of renting a house for a several months period makes much sense.
Now can you recommend a website where I could make a pre-selection?
I've checked with a number of realtor sites, they don't appear to have many offers for renting and in most cases their search engine is not adequate.
Here we have specialized websites where individuals advertise their offers.
I have failed to identify them for the US, or is craiglist a viable possibility? I don't trust E-bay.
 
Yup. I recall when I first moved to MS, I bought a brick house on an acre of land for what a parking spot would have cost back in new england. In hindsight I probably could have got it even cheaper if I bothered to haggle, but i didn't have a good sense for local prices. Real estate in the US will all seem cheap compared the Europe, but that does not make it a bargain. It is only worth what informed buyers will pay for it. Even in the US there are huge differences in property values and still some real bargains, but you also get what you pay for. Really cheap land is often cheap for a reason. 

The thing about real estate is it's all relative and and all local. The concept of commuting to NO from Slidell area is a mature concept so the prices there will reflect that...  Housing probably gets even cheaper for every few miles further away from town, or further from the interstate exit you look. A few more miles further away and you're in the boonies, for better or worse.

Good luck. I really hate commuting, and the thing I enjoy doing a lot in nawlins suggests I shouldn't drive afterwards.

YMMV

JR

 
Rentals are sometimes handled by agents and listed with their Realtor/MLS listings, but often by personal ad in the newspaper.

I don't know the NO newspapers. Here's one for a major city in Maine:
http://classifieds.bangordailynews.com/default/apartments-unf/search

Yes, the site has broken scripts and way too much fluff. This is typical for newspaper websites (in Argentina or Maine). Easier to read on paper. Consider getting a weekly rate at a motel to research rentals.

Local knowledge may be needed. The Bangor paper lists nothing in my town, but I know there's stuff. There's a minor newpaper more locally, and a weekly paper which specializes in this area. In many parts of the country (not so much here) there's free "weekly shoppers" which carry a lot of ads.

OTOH, any Real Estate agent can get you situated in a rental in 24-48 hours. (I assume you can look like the Good Tennant who won't trash the place or go dead-beat.) It may not be the right place at the right price, don't sign any long lease.
 
I've seen this ad.
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/149-Indian-Mound-Ln_Slidell_LA_70461_M83002-08831?row=4
It is in perfect adequation with my wish list. However I'm somewhat concerned about mosquitoes and inundations; any ideas?

Another question: I see in the Property History tab
Year  Taxes  Land        Additions  Total Assessment
2012  $223  $2,170 +  $6,560 =  $8,730

What does it mean?
 
Do you have a big fishing boat? Or maybe you can hunt gators.

Looks like higher taxes than I pay.

Mosquitos don't drink much, but can carry west nile virus... More of an issue with standing water, not moving water but 450' shot to river.

If you look at google maps you can see how much water is around...

JR
 
JohnRoberts said:
Do you have a big fishing boat?
I may get me a small one...
Or maybe you can hunt gators.
Interesting idea. Do you think I should ask the seller if there are any, or am I the victim of a practical joke?  :eek:
Looks like higher taxes than I pay.
Is it really $8730 per annum?
Mosquitos don't drink much, but can carry west nile virus... More of an issue with standing water, not moving water but 450' shot to river.

If you look at google maps you can see how much water is around...
I have; one side of the lot is on the river. The ad says 450ft of waterfront, which doesn't seem right.

Anyway, thanks, I'll ask the seller.
 
abbey road d enfer said:
JohnRoberts said:
Do you have a big fishing boat?
I may get me a small one...
Or maybe you can hunt gators.
Interesting idea. Do you think I should ask the seller if there are any, or am I the victim of a practical joke?  :eek:
There are gators in LA, perhaps not in your yard.
Looks like higher taxes than I pay.
Is it really $8730 per annum?
I don't know, 8k sounds high for taxes, but low for complete house valuation for a $200k house. If it's an archaic valuation taxes could rise from $200 if based on only $8k valuation. You need to ask local tax collector, or somebody smarter than me.  ;D
Mosquitos don't drink much, but can carry west nile virus... More of an issue with standing water, not moving water but 450' shot to river.

If you look at google maps you can see how much water is around...
I have; one side of the lot is on the river. The ad says 450ft of waterfront, which doesn't seem right.

Anyway, thanks, I'll ask the seller.
My interpretation is that it is 450' along some waterway to get to the river. but again I do not know... Again google maps might reveal what is what.

JR
 
JohnRoberts said:
My interpretation is that it is 450' along some waterway to get to the river. but again I do not know... Again google maps might reveal what is what.
Of course! You're right. On the satellite pic, it's not obvious, but on the map it is perfectly clear.
 
> concerned about mosquitoes and inundations; any ideas?

Then you should not be in south Louisiana. An outright river/stream/flowing bayou isn't as bad as land that's all water under the surface. And all of lower Louisiana is wet. Yet people live there (and in South Jersey; and here in my sloping-swamp).

Gators.... bah, no worse than bears, just watch your dog.
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Property (land+building) taxes are figured different in different places.

In general you MUST fund a School System, by far the largest single local government budget. Perhaps ~~85%-55% of your tax bill. There's maybe 2:1 difference between a costly school and a cheap school. There's additional cost for police (zero here, very high in the city). Libraries and welfare and such. Sewers, though the trend is to make sewer-bills self-funding.

For obscure reasons the tax is computed in "mils", which is like percent except 1/1,000 instead of 1/100.

In my area the Assessed Value is, as near as possible, the Current Fair-Market value. Our place was listed at $189, it barely sold at $149, we filed for a re-check. While they had (approximately) accounted for the market slump, they had not known how bad it had been run-down since the last on-site inspection. They came back with a number a bit higher than what we (in a fair market) had paid.

We also have a Personal Property tax, basically business stuff even if stored at a residence. The previous owner had a painting business, we showed the inspector that we don't do that. You may need to consider the value of a home studio or gear collection.

I have known other areas where assessed values were stuck in a time-warp, 1970 prices. Too much work to re-compute to current market. This "can" be fair, but inequities accumulate. Whatever, they take the required collection and divide it into the artificial value-sum and that's the rate.

Tax value computations are all short-cuts. Land is acres times a constant, but different constant for certain "better" land. My per-acre rate is about 1/5th of an acre on Bayside; water-view is generally MUCH more expensive (I'm a mile back in the woods and would need a 70 foot tower to see the sea). If you don't NEED water lapping your property, you probably don't want it (and vice-versa).

450 feet of Water Front here (near the sea) would be a bloody fortune to buy and pay tax on. I guess bayou is worth less, but still money. (Argh: I added 300 feet of ditch; I hope they don't call that "water front"!)

Louisiana is different in many ways. Google "Slidell, LA 70458 tax" and you find your way to the parish Assessor's Office:

http://www.stassessor.org/tax-calc.html

Assessed Value is a *percent* of Fair Market Value". The example shows 10% to get 'value", then 170 mills (0.170) tax rate.

Many states have "homestead exemption" on your Primary Residence. This is a bid to buy the votes of many single-home owners, at the expense of multi-home owners. Their example shows a serious discount.

All that said: I can't make sense of that tax listing. I guess a "$215K" residence should pay $1,500-$5,000 per year. (The high end would include cop on every corner and personal tutors in the school.)

Ah.... assume old-values and it is listed as $87,300 for tax purposes. Throw-down 10%, $8,630. Times 0.170 mil-rate, $1,484 tax to pay. That's in-sight of what I'd expect to pay. BUT it seems the _max_ Homestead exemption is $7,500. $8630-$7500= $1,130 taxable value. Times 0.17 is $192 tax due. Not quite the $223 in the listing; maybe most folks can't get the max homestead exemption.

I suspect when you pay $200K, the old "$87,300" fair market value will be updated to $200K. Times 10% magic number, times 0.170 mil-rate, is $3,400 per year, also a reasonable value for a nice residence. After some time you file for Homestead. Maybe a single guy can only claim $5K? Then $20K-$5K= $15K, times 0.170 is $2,550 per year.

The listing Real Estate agent will have the tax bill. For many reasons, it won't be what you will pay. The agent surely knows which way it will go. S/he is not strongly obligated to tell you, especially since tax assessors' offices are pretty opaque or capricious.
 
PRR said:
> concerned about mosquitoes and inundations; any ideas?

Then you should not be in south Louisiana. An outright river/stream/flowing bayou isn't as bad as land that's all water under the surface. And all of lower Louisiana is wet. Yet people live there (and in South Jersey; and here in my sloping-swamp).

Gators.... bah, no worse than bears, just watch your dog.
OK, I guess I can live with that.
Property (land+building) taxes are figured different in different places.
I have checked the website. It is not still 100% clear, but I guess there is a "sales tax", paid once and for all when buying, and the "property" tax, which is annual, based on current market value, the strength of wind and the captain's age.  :eek:
Many states have "homestead exemption" on your Primary Residence.
I guess I wouldn't be eligible, at least for a certain time.
The listing Real Estate agent will have the tax bill. For many reasons, it won't be what you will pay. The agent surely knows which way it will go. S/he is not strongly obligated to tell you, especially since tax assessors' offices are pretty opaque or capricious.
I guess s/he would be capable of giving a ballpark figure, which is all I need.
Anyway, thanks for the explanations.
 

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