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What do you think of digital "analog" 500 modules getting more popular these days?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKuuJTj7p4#t=53
http://www.bettermaker.eu/eq-502p/

It makes very much sense to me being able to restore settings and such.
Does anyone own or use this gear? I'd love to hear some feedback.

best regards
 
I truly think this is the future of analog audio processing!
We may be digging analog sound and tend to do most of the processing in that domain, but let's face it - we all use plugins already! Instant recall is a must in some projects. And our clients also got used to it! Already they hardly take no for an answer when they want us to do some additional tweaks on an analog mix.
In ten years from now, if we will want to use analog gear, 90% of it will be digitized and able to do this stuff. The market demands and click'n'save mentality of our clients will dictate it!

my 5 cents...

:)

Luka
 
weiss said:
What do you think of digital "analog" 500 modules getting more popular these days?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKuuJTj7p4#t=53
http://www.bettermaker.eu/eq-502p/

It makes very much sense to me being able to restore settings and such.
Does anyone own or use this gear? I'd love to hear some feedback.

best regards
That's brilliant engineering, but in some ways it's doomed.
You may not remember but there was a time when console manufacturers strived to design digitally-controlled analog desks, involving a multitude of DCA's and digital x-points. They all realized that the mix of digital and low-level analog was a serious challenge and that the cost would never be competitive with a full-digital solution.
 
The digital step size is always the challenge. "Oh,, I can hear a 0.25dB step!"

Plus, once you start asking digital silicon designers for VCA's, their eyes glaze over.
 
Rochey said:
The digital step size is always the challenge. "Oh,, I can hear a 0.25dB step!"
I have invested too much time into digital controlled analog and digital step size becomes much less relevant when step changes are co-ordinated with zero crossings (zero times anything is zero).  Some modern Digital controlled preamps build in the zero crossing circuitry.
Plus, once you start asking digital silicon designers for VCA's, their eyes glaze over.
Actually VCAs are not trivial and the recent THAT VCA technology is a fairly significant achievement. My last exchange with a real silicon designer (admittedly a junior, wet behind the ears field engineer), ground to a halt when we tried to include a basic OTA cell inside a power amp control IC.  The kid actually suggested adding emitter degeneration to an OTA input stage to reduce DC offset concerns.  :eek: :eek: :eek: At that point I realized the project was doomed, since the IC guy should know more about ICs than me. .
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Back in topic, digital controlled analog is based on the premise that there is some inherent value from operating in the analog domain. While i am an old school analog guy I wish that was true (IMO it isn't), but how many music projects can successfully avoid being digitized (some niche market of hipsters buying analog to analog records?)

Of we accept the ultimate conversion to digital, signal integrity is better preserved by making that conversion as early in the audio path as possible. The economics for operating in the digital domain is even more compelling.  Do what floats your boat for DIY, commercial products for a wide market can not ignore cost.

JR
 
weiss said:
What do you think of digital "analog" 500 modules getting more popular these days?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKuuJTj7p4#t=53
http://www.bettermaker.eu/eq-502p/

It makes very much sense to me being able to restore settings and such.
Does anyone own or use this gear? I'd love to hear some feedback.

best regards

How can something advertised as being "passive" have automatic recall capability?

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Andy Peters said:
How can something advertised as being "passive" have automatic recall capability?

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i think "passive" refers to the pultec eq technique?
 

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