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Nothing is going to change until you stop supporting capitalists, dmp. It only gets worse from here, as long as they're in charge. Ever tried to reason with a republican? About anything? Same deal.

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there are a lot of cash buyers in CA.
they are  not only paying cash, they r over bidding you with cash!
we decided to wait for the next market crash!





 
Tands,
Your way of looking at the world seems to be entirely governed by the Capitalist versus Marxist argument, but this paints a picture that is altogether too narrow and too bleak.  There is more to life than this.

People who share your views generally do not believe in the spiritual side of life.  The laws of the Christian west were shaped by Biblical principles, the parable of the talents encourages industry for example.  But there is also a warning for the rich, " it is easier for a camel to  pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven."

Organised religion may well be the opium of the masses, but there is more evidence for a spiritual dimension than there is for your conspiracy theories about politicians  and democrats.

There is honour in doing an honest days work and supporting your family, a rich man may have a harder time justifying his actions when he has to account for them.

You remind me of a more intense version of Matt (if that were possible).  A single issue researched in great depth, but it probably makes you unhappy and angrier than you should be, get more enjoyment out of life by starting some of those electronic projects you have hanging around?  The injustices of this world will still be there and getting worse because the over population of the planet has more momentum than any man can handle, except the Pope maybe ::)  But his hands are tied by several centuries of dogma.

DaveP
 
DaveP said:
the parable of the talents encourages industry for example

DaveP
That is interpretation at best.

And interpretation has left countless victims.

For example.

But there is also a warning for the rich, " it is easier for a camel to  pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven."
Now there's a much clearer case.

It reads "kingdom of God" rather than "heaven" BTW


 
Well its only taken 133 pages for this thread to turn into a "All______ act a certain way". I predict this to go downhill in the next 30 pages.  ;D
 
Capitalist versus Marxist argument
That's a valid stance, and a necessary one, I'd like to add. But maybe expand to 'crony capitalist' versus 'socialist' to see what happens, especially in real-life application.

Apart from that:
- picture uploads are reminiscent of 4chan and the like
- posting long quotes is nothing short of what photocopying used to be (copy everything, process nothing)
- single links : plain noise

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fire and fury the world has never seen
From a psychological point of view it is hardly ever a good idea to jump blindly onto what is (or is meant as) provocation. And Mr. T., well, he just did what everybody should have expected he'd do, that is being himself.

Then again, I grant him that those words are more than a mindless utterance (actually he's sort of quoting Truman from August 6, 1945). But Kim sure has watched The Apprentice, so might have a headstart in insight into his 'opponent'.

NK missiles can reach US soil? So what. Japan has seen several missiles coming from NK, most falling short, but some flying over and landing somewhere in the Pacific east of Japan. So nothing new here really. NK wants to hit Guam? Yeah, target before that was a US mlitary base in the south of Japan. There's an 'old' Japanese saying: 'NK might be able to shot but they don't know how to target.' That might change soon, yet: You fink da K stoopid? I don't. However, I do see increased danger of a pure accident (on both sides, actually more on the US side) chainreacting into direct conflict.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Mr Trump (and who could possibly be), but I really expect him to strike a deal with Kim now... like selling him US steel or cars or solar panel walls... just anything. Or how about boxes full of iPhones? Could tap them ;)
 
That is interpretation at best.
I think we can both agree it doesn't encourage sloth and I meant work ethic rather than industrialisation.

I'm interested in what you think it means, I'm more interested in member's thoughts than the cut and paste of others.

That's a valid stance, and a necessary one, I'd like to add
Yes it is, but it's not all there is.

DaveP
 
DaveP said:
I think we can both agree it doesn't encourage sloth and I meant work ethic rather than industrialisation.

I'm interested in what you think it means, I'm more interested in member's thoughts than the cut and paste of others.
DaveP
I appreciate your interest and I know where it comes from. But I hesitate for two reasons. Firstly, IMO religious talk is even more flammable on an internet forum like this than political talk. Secondly, the Man we like to talk about is about as far from the guy in the topic title as you can imagine.

But yes, I know, there's good news to be shared. And when and where is the proper time and place?
Anyway, I'll give you a short answer.

The continuously returning theme in the gospels is the kingdom of God. How to get there, be a part of it and/or how to be  good followers of the prime example. All the teaching, parables, warnings, promises etc. hover around this theme. And the message is not about worldly affairs. It's deliberately and totally the opposite.  Famous quotes are:"My kingdom is not of this world" and:""Stop storing up treasures for yourselves on earth" and:"If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
If you look at the the parable of the talents in this light then industry will probably not cross your mind.

Captains of industry who happen to go to church will likely have a different interpretation.
And they may even have a clever twist regarding the camel and the needle.

That's how far I will go, Dave.

Carry on.



Henk

 
Script said:
That's a valid stance, and a necessary one, I'd like to add. But maybe expand to 'crony capitalist' versus 'socialist' to see what happens, especially in real-life application.
I believe we all dislike corruption and fraud no matter the ideal theoretical system it occurs in.
Apart from that:
- picture uploads are reminiscent of 4chan and the like
- posting long quotes is nothing short of what photocopying used to be (copy everything, process nothing)
- single links : plain noise
+1
Back toFrom a psychological point of view it is hardly ever a good idea to jump blindly onto what is (or is meant as) provocation. And Mr. T., well, he just did what everybody should have expected he'd do, that is being himself.
like trying to out-crazy the crazy guy... confuses him.  There is a negotiation technique called "mirroring" where you mimic the person you are negotiating with to make them more comfortable and receptive. This is mirroring carried to a bizarre extreme. ::)
Then again, I grant him that those words are more than a mindless utterance (actually he's sort of quoting Truman from August 6, 1945). But Kim sure has watched The Apprentice, so might have a headstart in insight into his 'opponent'.
yup more going on behind the scenes than the hysterical media grasps.
NK missiles can reach US soil? So what. Japan has seen several missiles coming from NK, most falling short, but some flying over and landing somewhere in the Pacific east of Japan. So nothing new here really. NK wants to hit Guam? Yeah, target before that was a US mlitary base in the south of Japan. There's an 'old' Japanese saying: 'NK might be able to shot but they don't know how to target.' That might change soon, yet: You fink da K stoopid? I don't. However, I do see increased danger of a pure accident (on both sides, actually more on the US side) chainreacting into direct conflict.
Or this is all very calculated to come just short of actually being an act of war.  While early reports may have been inaccurate it seems like the initial threat was to hit a military base on Guam, and then that got walked back to firing into the sea just short of Guam in international waters. This could be interpreted as NK blinking, or just more thoughtless bluster.
Personally, I'm not a fan of Mr Trump (and who could possibly be), but I really expect him to strike a deal with Kim now... like selling him US steel or cars or solar panel walls... just anything. Or how about boxes full of iPhones? Could tap them ;)
The interesting thing for me is seeing how china and russia reacts (the other two world powers).  A major Chinese newspaper reports that China will defend NK if attacked, but NK better not attack first (no doubt intended to reduce un's fear level and aggression). Russia reports they are working with China to keep this contained. It is hard to imagine any scenario when NK benefits from attacking anybody, while their internal propaganda has instructed their people that they are the ones under attack.  So they could interpret defensive acts as offensive.

I expect this is all a negotiation, but I am an optimist.

JR
 
Script said:
Apart from that:
- picture uploads are reminiscent of 4chan and the like
- posting long quotes is nothing short of what photocopying used to be (copy everything, process nothing)
- single links : plain noise

You're entirely welcome to your opinion.
-People are amusing and creative, and they are not fooled
-I am not your processor
-I always liked the 'Harper's Index' and 'Findings' sections in Harper's Magazine. I am presenting you with baubles you may or may not appreciate, but I do.

https://harpers.org/archive/2015/06/254668/

https://harpers.org/archive/2017/02/findings-156/

Go ahead and amuse me.
 
DaveP said:
Tands,
Your way of looking at the world seems to be entirely governed by the Capitalist versus Marxist argument, but this paints a picture that is altogether too narrow and too bleak.  There is more to life than this.

I'm not governed by it, but hey, it's hard to argue with this.

In short, wherever domination exists—of bosses over workers, of men over women and gender nonconformists, of states over subjects, of whites over people of color, of human society over the rest of the web of life—we seek to replace it with equality, cooperation, love, and mutual respect. Ours is a vision of total liberation, not just in some far-flung revolutionary future but here and now.

http://www.dsa-lsc.org/
 
A major Chinese newspaper reports that China will defend NK if attacked, but NK better not attack first (no doubt intended to reduce un's fear level and aggression).
Sure they would if NK gets attacked -- it's their 'buffer'.
Sure they won't if NK attacked -- it'd fall back on them.
Well, so not only to reduce US fear, but plain truth maybe?

Out-crazy the crazy guy? Grotesque as befits those two guys.

Not sure about the 'mirroring' part. It works marvels in 'friendly' encounters. In 'tense' situations it'd be interpreted as just another provocation. That'd been the idea?

It is hard to imagine any scenario when NK benefits from attacking anybody
No, the benefit clearly is in announcing it. Do it and NK ceases to exist.

So they [i.e., NK] could interpret defensive acts as offensive.
Not just could. They do interpret annual US military manoevers in South Korea, for example, as threatening. Putting all ideology and brainwashing aside, as well as considering that they are a buffer state for China, I think they can't really be blamed... Well, at least not for that feeling of being threatened, cos that's real for sure. -- Please note, I'm not defending that 'haircut' in the least.
 
Let's remember when we talk about how the north koreans interpret something that 99.999999% of them have no idea what's happening.
 
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nsfw, language.

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I am totally disgusted that there are Americans alive today, who feel it is justified to give the Nazi salute.  Their grandfathers who died on Omaha beach , Normandy and Europe would have shot them out of hand as traitors.

They have betrayed the entire generation who fought WW2 for their freedom,  as well as the 450,900 Brits who died doing the same.  They all need history lessons big time.

DaveP
 
I am presenting you with baubles you may or may not appreciate, but I do.
Fair enough.

Word field:
- baubles
- tand
I follow you there.

Let's remember when we talk about how the north koreans interpret something that 99.999999% of them have no idea what's happening.
With North Korea having an estimated popultion of 25,155,317 (as of 2015) that's a funny way of saying that someone there is out of his mind.  ;D
 

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