RuudNL

36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« on: October 23, 2018, 04:08:11 AM »
I got information from a microphone capsule manufacturer, that they developed a 36 mm(!) condenser capsule, that due to the construction isn't sensitive to high air humidity and the infamous 'crackling'.
As far as I read from the information, they use a nickel diafragm of 2 micron.
Information is pretty limited at the moment, but I will try to obtain a couple of samples.
I have no idea about the minimum number of samples they want to sell me, but if you would be interested to try one, let me know.
In the attachment is a frequency response graph of the capsule.
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rogs

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2018, 06:26:38 AM »
I wonder why they've gone to all that trouble when the modulated RF solution to the problem offered by Sennheiser and Rode works well?

I'm guessing that the fact that Rode followed Sennheiser into the market means that patent infringements are not a problem with this technique, so why not simply develop  a new low-Z RF circuit, rather than trying to 're-invent the wheel'  by developing a fundamentally new hardware capsule design?...

Khron

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 06:37:03 AM »
Perhaps in order to facilitate employing simpler / cheaper circuitry?

I mean, why not solve the root cause of the problem (moisture sensitivity), instead of trying to mitigate it externally? :)
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RuudNL

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 06:52:04 AM »
It seems the RF approach isn't very easy for DIY.
I once saw someone do this, but he experienced a lot of problems, and the result wasn't still as good as the Sennheiser MKH.
https://www.beis.de/Elektronik/HF-Mic/HF-Mic.html
Anyway, it would be interesting to test this new product.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2018, 09:00:16 AM by RuudNL »
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cyrano

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 08:52:06 AM »
Very, very interesting. I'm a bit of a fan of MKH mics, but the price is rather high, so any other solution is worth having.
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Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 12:30:58 PM »
Wow that actually sounds pretty promising. Are the capsules single or dual diaphragm? Doesn't iSK also make nickel diaphragm capsules, or are those SDC only?

Recording Engineer

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2018, 01:23:52 PM »
With that response graph and everything you mention, this sounds like Aseyer/Ningbo Shengke Electronics Co., LTD./iSK

Aseyer released mics some years back with 2-micron nickel diaphragm 36mm capsules and 4-micron aluminum diaphragm 36mm capsules. They also released a couple mics with 4-micron aluminum diaphragm 18mm capsules. They never caught-on at all.

Then iSK released the U99 with the 36mm aluminum capsule (same capsule as Aseyer) and used the moisture/humidity-resistant marketing-angle then. Don’t know how true that really is, nor do I care at all.

I remember Oliver saying he felt aluminum was the ultimate diaphragm-material, some years back, so the U99 capsule really  sparked my interest and I bought a pair of capsule samples from Ningbo Shengke Electronics Co. (iSK). From there, they wanted a minimum order of 100 in 2014.

I finally just put my two capsules to use in a pair of transformerless tube mics. I also recently realized the iSK AT100 is the Tascam TM-80, which uses the 18mm  aluminum version.

Anyhow, I’d go in for anything and everything from them in the nickel and aluminum variety! If they’re anywhere near the 2014 prices, I might grab a half a dozen!

By the way, they’re all cardioid-only.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2018, 01:40:42 PM by Recording Engineer »

Recording Engineer

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2018, 02:34:40 PM »
https://www.beis.de/Elektronik/HF-Mic/HF-Mic.html

Gees, full-circle... Ralf Falk designed the circuit used in my pair of transformerless tube mics I used the 36mm aluminum capsules in! I had contacted him some years back about the capsule he built, but he unfortunately no longer had access to the tools he needed. So, he offered me his transformerless tube mic schematic if I was interested in his take on mics.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2018, 02:46:24 PM by Recording Engineer »

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2018, 07:47:56 AM »
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rogs

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2018, 08:13:13 AM »
It seems the RF approach isn't very easy for DIY.
I once saw someone do this, but he experienced a lot of problems, and the result wasn't still as good as the Sennheiser MKH.
https://www.beis.de/Elektronik/HF-Mic/HF-Mic.html
Looking at the schematic you have linked to - and indeed at one or two Sennheiser schematics - and most of the electronics seem quite suitable for DIY experiments....
It' s the inductors that seem to be the problem.  There appear to be very little detail on the specifics for the Beis schematic inductors (other than the core types) and  -understandably -  there's not going to be any detail on the Sennheiser ones.. 
I haven't (so far) found anything online  that gives any guidance on specifics of creating inductors for this kind of task -- It's that kind of detail that might help 'kick start'  some DIY RF projects...

I did try some experiments using a PLL  (74HC4046) but didn't get very far..... It's not really suitable sadly, but it was fun taking a look... 


Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2018, 12:34:46 PM »
Could two of these capsules be used to make a multipattern mic? If the frequency response chart there is anything near accurate or honest, it seems like it could make a great mic.

If they can be combined (probably stupid question/idea, I'm no electrical engineer) then I'd go in for a 3 or 4 if there's ever a group buy.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2018, 12:42:25 PM by Icantthinkofaname »

RuudNL

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2018, 08:28:07 AM »
At the moment the manufacturer is developing a special mount for this new capsule.
They already had one, but were not completely satisfied with the design.
As soon as they can deliver the new capsule with mount, I will order a couple of them!
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Recording Engineer

Re: 36 mm moisture resistant condenser capsule
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2018, 12:05:08 PM »
That’s great... My friend Chris has to rig something up, the same way we he mounted the Sony capsules for me.


 

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