The mastering trend of the last decade or even longer seems to be driven by the idea to create the ultimate listening experience at moderate levels on mediocre equipment - like laptops or kitchen speakers.
Anyway, recording digitally and mixing in DAWs certainly doesn't make the sound more enjoyable either...
There is of course mangling that goes on in mastering, but these days most of the volume is coming from parallel compression during mixing.
For what its worth... Andrew Scheps mixed both the chili peppers and the metalica albums you're referring too, and hes said many times he does not check on anything other than his main speakers, he mixed it that way because he liked it like that.... Personally, its over the line for me, but I do love some of the sounds that are achievable with modern mixing techniques... I just think it tends to go a bit too far....
Be it limited to death or mastered crap, if a band is sh*t then it will sound sh*t (Metallica)
Thank You for the response to the comment about digital recording and computer as tool their-of AKA DAW. It was implied along the way that it is inferior to other approaches. I am assuming meaning analogue? I agree with the sentiment that it (DAW) is not and that it is in many ways better and more accurate then any and I mean any analogue storage medium! Tchad Blake's work is one of the best examples that can be given for the debate!They are all just tools in the hands of craftspeople and nothing more!
I have said this before; for success in the music business you need:1. Real talent2. Catchy melody3. Well constructed arrangement4. Capable musicians5. Quality recording gear6. LuckCheersIan
"Success"suc·cesssəkˈses/nounnoun: success; plural noun: successes the accomplishment of an aim or purpose.So I say that any project started, toiled on in the middle and then completed, is by definition a success! Emphasis on completed!
I don't think the over-limiting in the Metallica's Death Magnetic album was due to Andrew Scheps. The controversy on that album came when people started to listen to the song in the Guitar Hero game because they found it sounded better than the Album version. The difference was that the Guitar hero song was not mastered, or not mastered in the same way as the Album tracks.But the Andrew Scheps mix is the same, the only difference was mastering.
I believe you are wrong on this. I knew one of the Guitar Hero game engineers, and he played me the discrete tracks from several artists -- vocals, guitar, harmonies, etc -- all separate tracks. We heard Fleetwood Mac and others -- amazing to hear the vocal harmonies soloed! Spot on. Beautiful. Guitar Hero had access to all the discrete tracks, from all the artists, AFAIK. Thus, it was a new mix in the Guitar Hero game, and NOT the Andrew Scheps mix. (I don't recall if heard the Metallica tracks or not on that visit, I do remember Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac and others. I understood from my friend that all the artists had provided discrete tracks.) That would clearly explain why it sounded different / better.