Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #100 on: February 03, 2020, 05:11:17 PM »
To reiterate all I said three years ago was using the logo might infringe Neve's copyright to which the OP replied 'which is why we didn't' which clearly means we did not use the logo. The picture posted recently clearly demonstrated that this was not true. I am not arguing about whether it does or does not infringe but rather that the OP said he did not use the logo and then did use it.

Cheers

Ian

Ok, I'll sum it all up in total transparency so we can move on. The first picture I posted of the modules had Neve logos on them. Just to be clear, ALL THE ROUTING MODULES ON MY CONSOLE PROJECT DO HAVE NEVE LOGOS. When Ian first told me about a possible infringement, I photoshopped the logos out and reposted the photos and then replied: "Which is why we didn't ;)". That sentence along with the blinking smiley meant "Oops, you're right, let's not show these logos on here, let's not attract attention on the community". I honestly thought Ian and whoever was following the thread had understood what I meant, since the photos were exactly the same as before minus the logos, but obviously this was not the case and I'm sorry about it.
This is all in good faith. I personally don't care if all my photos have Neve logos on them, since I'm not selling anything, and these modules obviously would never pass for real Neve products. Heck, I could even post a picture of myself with a fake home made Nike T-shirt, no one could reach me. I was photoshopping the logos out out of courtesy for the trademark-sensitive folks out here and out of respect for the community.   I'll make sure I photoshop each and every photo from now on. Or maybe I shouldn't. Should I?


Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #101 on: February 10, 2020, 05:10:20 PM »
Hi guys,

I've been doing an awful lot of wiring today, but I'm stumbling on how to wire the faders to the routing modules. This has been discussed in a couple of older threads but it's still a little unclear to me, so here is what i have so far, please correct me if anything's wrong:

I'm am using classic Neve P&g 1520 faders. I understand there should be another cable going from the fader to B- (0v) for referencing. I kind of understand why that is, but can't really translate it into wiring. Can anybody tell me I should wire this? Also, there is a pair of switches inside the fader for fader kill and pfl. Does the fader kill one needs additional wiring or does it all happen in fader? What about the pfl ones, were they used in old neve boards?
Thank you, lads!
R.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2020, 05:17:58 PM by remsouille »

Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2020, 03:06:57 PM »
The 5K trim pot (VR1) internal to the channel amp or router was not intended to have a connection to B-.  When used with a 1520 5K audio fader, it was there to adjust for small differences in gain between channels and was connected as an adjustable series resistance arm in the fader send. 
I don't have a drawing program on hand and can't find the original Neve wiring doc so, until someone comes up with a drawing, and from memory  :o   
First use a twin screened cable from the amplifier to the fader input and B-,  connect screen at the amp side only.   The conductors of this cable are are connected at the amp side to a B- point and the wiper of VR1.  At the fader side they connect to the fader input and bottom (0v).
Then use a single screened cable from the fader out to the amp's fader return.  Again, connect the screen only at one end, this time at the fader. 
In situ, there should be no need to make an earth connection between the amp and the fader as both will be screwed to the chassis.

I hope this helps a little, I'll try and draw something if no one else comes along
D.J.H.


   

Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2020, 04:27:35 PM »
The 5K trim pot (VR1) internal to the channel amp or router was not intended to have a connection to B-.  When used with a 1520 5K audio fader, it was there to adjust for small differences in gain between channels and was connected as an adjustable series resistance arm in the fader send. 
I don't have a drawing program on hand and can't find the original Neve wiring doc so, until someone comes up with a drawing, and from memory  :o   
First use a twin screened cable from the amplifier to the fader input and B-,  connect screen at the amp side only.   The conductors of this cable are are connected at the amp side to a B- point and the wiper of VR1.  At the fader side they connect to the fader input and bottom (0v).
Then use a single screened cable from the fader out to the amp's fader return.  Again, connect the screen only at one end, this time at the fader. 
In situ, there should be no need to make an earth connection between the amp and the fader as both will be screwed to the chassis.

I hope this helps a little, I'll try and draw something if no one else comes along
D.J.H.


 

Thanks! I knew about VR1 being a "fader trim"! The approach you're describing seems just fine, however I'm not sure that's how it was done in the old 8014 boards. I have many reference pictures and all show some weird daisy chaining between faders and only one double screened wire, as far as I can tell. 


If only I had a neve console, I would have all my answers at hand..... wait....

Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2020, 04:39:54 PM »
The bottom picture doesn't look like original Neve wiring to me so, any one's guess there?
I suppose there can be several ways to wire up the faders.   On every old Neve desk I worked on, and on the one 8016 I owned for a short while, there were 2 distinct cables used for the audio signal to and from the faders. 
My desk did not have PFL wiring from the fader, just an absolute "kill" when the back switch engaged (not back "press") and then  "fader start" which had long since been disconnected.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 04:42:55 PM by Winston O'Boogie »

Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2020, 04:45:39 PM »
The bottom picture doesn't look like original Neve wiring to me so, any one's guess there?
I suppose there can be several ways to wire up the faders.   On every old Neve desk I worked on, and on the one 8016 I owned for a short while, there were 2 distinct cables used for the audio signal to and from the faders. 
My desk did not have PFL wiring from the fader, just an absolute "kill" when the back switch engaged and then  "fader start" which had long since been disconnected.

Yes, the bottom picture is from API's 8014 rebuild thread here on gdiy. The new wiring was consistent with the old job, though. I don't care too much about pfl, though I guess fader kill is pretty much default on these boards..

Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #106 on: February 11, 2020, 04:55:58 PM »
OK well, on the drawing of how you have stuff wired, remove the connection at the amp to P2 (the bottom of the 5K trimmer) and just take that connection from the fader to a B- point on the amp.   Turn the trimmer so it's effectively out of the circuit.

« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 05:00:10 PM by Winston O'Boogie »

Whoops

Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #107 on: February 12, 2020, 11:11:12 PM »
Ok, I'll sum it all up in total transparency so we can move on. The first picture I posted of the modules had Neve logos on them. Just to be clear, ALL THE ROUTING MODULES ON MY CONSOLE PROJECT DO HAVE NEVE LOGOS. When Ian first told me about a possible infringement, I photoshopped the logos out and reposted the photos

Ian is a great guy and you did the right thing in clearing things up and be honest, respect to Ian and respect to you.

I was photoshopping the logos out out of courtesy for the trademark-sensitive folks out here and out of respect for the community.   I'll make sure I photoshop each and every photo from now on. Or maybe I shouldn't. Should I?

Reality is, you can do whatever you want, it's your build and your modules, no one has nothing to do with it.

But replying to your question, yes you should.
What you do privately it's your own business but this is a public forum and you should protect it.

Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #108 on: March 21, 2020, 10:40:38 AM »
Hi everybody,
I hope everybody's alright in these strange times! Well, the good thing about that lockdown is that I get time to work on the console a lot. As a matter of fact, the right hand, tape return  side of the console is done( the mixing part at least, I still needsthe remote for the 16 track tape machine and the penthouse will house effects and stuff, more on that later  ;) ), and I've started assembling the left hand, recording side:






Anyway, it still is an expensive pile of metal at the moment as I don't have 1272s nor a psu to test it. But at least, it looks pretty good  :).
I'm very bad at documenting the process, but I aknowledge the fact that this is something that probably hasn't been done before and wouldn't have been possible with the help of our great community, so I'll be happy to answer any questions regarding parts, design, etc...
Thank you all!

« Last Edit: March 21, 2020, 10:44:22 AM by remsouille »

boji

Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!!
« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2020, 10:51:56 PM »
Goodness I love this picts!   Seeing that I'm at the point where I'm trying to find the best way to mount 500 series backplaces, these bus picts and edge connection picts have been very helpful.  If you have any other photos of progress, please, keep sharing!

Thanks for what you've provided thus far, and good luck on completing your project. Enormous undertaking!

Edit:  Just noticed the black, right angle plates used to suspend the copper bus bar.  Are they made of nylon or some such insulative material?
« Last Edit: March 22, 2020, 10:58:29 PM by boji »


Re: !!! Neve Console Build !!! New
« Reply #110 on: March 23, 2020, 04:05:13 AM »
Thanks, man! It means a lot coming from you, with your insanely hardcore console project!!
The right angle plates are just PVC ones, that's the only suitable thing I could source locally. The original boards used blocks of something that's called paxolin, which is a sort wood mixed resin.... PVC will do ;)
I'll keep posting stuff for sure!
« Last Edit: March 23, 2020, 10:43:53 AM by remsouille »


 

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