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JohnRoberts said:
I love how kids today are learning history and government from twitter... :eek:

btw it's called cloture

Nobody cares about any of that 19th century crap anyway. Twitter is where it's at, joe.

https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/842136875678629894

 
Supreme Court ruling for Czyzewski v. Jevic Holding Corp.
And the vote was 6-2 - the dissenters being the conservative Alito and Thomas.
Is Roberts continuing his shift left, to the consternation of Republicans?
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-649_k53m.pdf


 
JohnRoberts said:
btw it's called cloture
The words are synonyms - closure is more readily understandable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloture

In 2007 Sen Shumer rather famously came out in favor
The other favorite of Republicans is a quote from Biden. Both of these are just playing politics without actual substance.

The real issue or dispute about SCOTUS justices is "originalist" (like Gorsuch) or the liberal trend of justices that think the constitution evolves and should be interpreted based on modern culture...
More politics and based on little substance. Republicans want pro business, socially conservative justices that will help oppress "wierdos", help rich  Republicans get richer with crony capitalist laws, and increase the liberty of the very wealthy.
Some of the most preposterous activist decisions came from Scalia, like Heller vs. DC. Furthermore, Scalia brought the internet troll to the SCUTUS with his sarcasm, superiority & insulting language. And Thomas showed he was ready to rubber stamp a dictator abolishing the US constitution with his dissent in Hamdi vs Rumsfeld. The executive has the authority to lock up US citizens and deny Habeas Corpus?

 
JohnRoberts said:
In 2007 Sen Shumer rather famously came out in favor of blocking any of Bush's SCOTUS appointments when he was in the democratic majority during Bush's second term.  Then flip-flopped back against the republicans blocking Garland, now he is back again in full block mode.

This is just team politics... nothing unusual to see here.
First off, there were no SCOTUS appointments in Bush's second term.

Second, what Schumer said back in 2007 was:

“We should reverse the presumption of confirmation,” Schumer told the American Constitution Society convention in Washington. “The Supreme Court is dangerously out of balance. We cannot afford to see Justice Stevens replaced by another Roberts, or Justice Ginsburg by another Alito.”
He was talking about the fact that a presidential appointment should not be rubber stamped by Congress, and should be subject to an up-down vote.  And that any opposing Senator can vote either way, and the confirmation lived or died by the results.  McConnell never even allowed a vote to take place.  It's not apples and apples.

Third, you cannot have it both ways, saying how "we fortuitously dodged that [Garland, or anyone Hillary nominated] decision" then call out Democratic opposition to Gorsuch.  Team politics indeed.

You have to hand it to the Republicans - they managed to figure out a way to refuse to take the field in the ball game, yet still end up winning the game having never faced a pitch.
 
I don't hand it to them, the democrats just make it easy for them by being such a bunch of caving, sellout *******. Republicans are completely inept at any kind of policy making or legislation, anything that requires a solution, as we've also seen. They're a joke.
 
It's pretty amazing to me how the two sides of our politics view each other.  From each others perspective the other side is full of bumbling morons.  It is on the borderline of absurdity like war where each side thinks the other is soooo bad that they must be murdered.  (You do realize that the "bad" guys think they're the "good" guys right?)

We're gonna get nowhere but dead with that kind of thinking.

We need a reset.  We need to work on ethics.  There is plenty of bad shit for all sides and individuals to take responsibility for.

In an effort to redirect the thinking....Here's my current line of questioning...

What exactly should the role of government be?

What services should government provide?

At what level of government should those services be provided?


And to bring this back to the video in the OP....Think about that "wealth distribution" in terms of tax dollars.  The "wealthy" people would be Washington DC, the "poor" people would be your local community.
 
Seems to make more sense to call the people who have most of the money the wealthy people, and the people with little money the poor people. That way you wouldn't have to put quotes around the words to indicate that you were changing the definitions of the words, right?

You can simply refuse to take social security or medicare, if you want. Somalia's nice too.

Ayn Rand was not only a schlock novelist, she was also the progenitor of a sweeping “moral philosophy” that justifies the privilege of the wealthy and demonizes not only the slothful, undeserving poor but the lackluster middle-classes as well.

Her books provided wide-ranging parables of "parasites," "looters" and "moochers" using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).

As Michael Ford of Xavier University's Center for the Study of the American Dream wrote, “In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest.”

Her ideas about government intervention in some idealized pristine marketplace serve as the basis for so much of the conservative rhetoric we see today. “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand,” said Paul Ryan, the GOP's young budget star at a D.C. event honoring the author. On another occasion, he proclaimed, “Rand makes the best case for the morality of democratic capitalism.”

“Morally and economically,” wrote Rand in a 1972 newsletter, “the welfare state creates an ever accelerating downward pull.”

Journalist Patia Stephens wrote of Rand:

    [She] called altruism a “basic evil” and referred to those who perpetuate the system of taxation and redistribution as “looters” and “moochers.” She wrote in her book “The Virtue of Selfishness” that accepting any government controls is “delivering oneself into gradual enslavement.”

Rand also believed that the scientific consensus on the dangers of tobacco was a hoax. By 1974, the two-pack-a-day smoker, then 69, required surgery for lung cancer. And it was at that moment of vulnerability that she succumbed to the lure of collectivism.

Evva Joan Pryor, who had been a social worker in New York in the 1970s, was interviewed in 1998 by Scott McConnell, who was then the director of communications for the Ayn Rand Institute. In his book, 100 Voices: An Oral History of Ayn Rand, McConnell basically portrays Rand as first standing on principle, but then being mugged by reality. Stephens points to this exchange between McConnell and Pryor.

    “She was coming to a point in her life where she was going to receive the very thing she didn’t like, which was Medicare and Social Security,” Pryor told McConnell. “I remember telling her that this was going to be difficult. For me to do my job she had to recognize that there were exceptions to her theory. So that started our political discussions. From there on – with gusto – we argued all the time.

    The initial argument was on greed,” Pryor continued. “She had to see that there was such a thing as greed in this world. Doctors could cost an awful lot more money than books earn, and she could be totally wiped out by medical bills if she didn’t watch it. Since she had worked her entire life, and had paid into Social Security, she had a right to it. She didn’t feel that an individual should take help.”

Rand had paid into the system, so why not take the benefits? It's true, but according to Stephens, some of Rand's fellow travelers remained true to their principles.

    Rand is one of three women the Cato Institute calls founders of American libertarianism. The other two, Rose Wilder Lane [well fed daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder]and Isabel “Pat” Paterson, both rejected Social Security benefits on principle. Lane, with whom Rand corresponded for several years, once quit an editorial job in order to avoid paying Social Security taxes. The Cato Institute says Lane considered Social Security a “Ponzi fraud” and “told friends that it would be immoral of her to take part in a system that would predictably collapse so catastrophically.” Lane died in 1968.

Paterson would end up dying a pauper. Rand went a different way.

But at least she put up a fight before succumbing to the imperatives of the real world – one in which people get sick, and old, and many who are perfectly decent and hardworking don't end up being independently wealthy.

The degree to which Ayn Rand has become a touchstone for the modern conservative movement is striking. She was a sexual libertine, and, according to writer Mark Ames, she modeled her heroic characters on one of the most despicable sociopaths of her time. Ames’ conclusion is important for understanding today’s political economy. “Whenever you hear politicians or Tea Partiers dividing up the world between ‘producers’ and ‘collectivism,’” he wrote, “just know that those ideas and words more likely than not are derived from the deranged mind of a serial-killer groupie....And when you see them taking their razor blades to the last remaining programs protecting the middle class from total abject destitution—Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid—and bragging about how they are slashing these programs for ‘moral’ reasons, just remember Rand’s morality and who inspired her.”

Now we know that Rand was also just as hypocritical as the Tea Party freshman who railed against “government health care” to get elected and then whined that he had to wait a month before getting his own Cadillac plan courtesy of the taxpayers.

But, as I note in my book, The Fifteen Biggest Lies About the Economy, that's par for the course. A central rule of the U.S. political economy is that people are attracted to the idea of “limited government” in the abstract—and certainly don’t want the government intruding in their homes—but they really, really like living in a society with adequately funded public services.

That's just as true for an icon of modern conservatism as it is for a poor mother getting public health care for her kids.

http://www.alternet.org/story/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits,_but_grabbed_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them
 
A soulless man cannot serve justice.

Under Gorsuch’s reasoning, a corporation is entitled to require a worker to die for a load of meat.

The senator’s question was simple and straightforward: What would you have done?

Judge Neil Gorsuch wouldn’t answer. He couldn’t say whether, on orders from an employer, he’d have driven a tractor trailer with locked brakes, endangering the lives of other motorists, or instead allowed himself to freeze to death in sub-zero cold in an unheated truck cab while awaiting a mechanic.

Gorsuch dithered and demurred. He talked around the query. Finally, he said, “I don’t know.”

The vaunted jurist nominated for a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court couldn’t answer a basic question about a case on which he’d issued an infamous dissenting opinion. The fact that he had never considered the key question and the fact that Gorsuch, born and bred a 1 percenter, decided this case and others for moneyed interests without a thought for the people injured as a result, disqualifies him for a seat on the nation’s highest court.

Sen. Al Franken was among the lawmakers who asked Gorsuch about the case of Alphonse Maddin during the senate confirmation hearing last week.

Maddin, 48, of Detroit, was driving a truck loaded with meat on Interstate 88 across rural Illinois on a night in January 2009 when the temperature was a life-threatening minus 27 degrees. Maddin pulled over to figure out how to get to a corporate-approved gas station. When he tried to pull back onto the road, the brakes on the 50-foot trailer had frozen, though not those on the cab.

He radioed his employer, TransAm Trucking Inc., at 11:17 p.m. for road service and was told a repairman would arrive within an hour. The engine in the cab would not idle and the heater would not work. Maddin bundled himself in a blanket in the bunk area and fell asleep.

When a phone call from a cousin awoke him two hours later, the temperature gauge inside the cab registered minus 14 degrees. He was numb, blue with cold and his skin was burning and cracking. He couldn’t feel his feet and could barely stand. The cousin testified later that Maddin’s speech was slurred and he seemed confused – symptoms of hypothermia.

Maddin called TransAm again to find out the status of the repair truck. He informed the dispatcher of the perilous temperature. The dispatcher told him to wait.

He remained in the cab for another half hour, but by then he was having trouble breathing and feared for his life. He called his supervisor, who ordered him to either drive dangerously dragging the frozen-braked trailer or remain waiting in the mortally cold cab.

Maddin unhitched the cab from the trailer and drove to a gas station. He returned less than a half hour later to find the mechanic at the trailer. When the brakes were repaired, Maddin completed the delivery.

Then TransAm fired him for leaving the trailer unattended.

Maddin appealed. By the time the case got to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit in Denver, to which Gorsuch had been appointed in 2006, four judges already had decided in Maddin’s favor.

At the 10th Circuit, a split three-judge panel also ruled for Maddin, with only Gorsuch defending the firing.

What is remarkable about Gorsuch’s dissent is the way he treats Maddin. Gorsuch wrote this about Maddin’s situation on that night in Kansas:

“A trucker was stranded on the side of the road, late at night, in cold weather, and his trailer brakes were stuck.”

No mention of the minus-27 degree temperatures. No mention of the two-and-a-half-hour wait or the hypothermia setting in. No mention of Alphonse Maddin’s name, just “a trucker.”

“In my heart of hearts, I felt like he willfully tried to negate the human element of my case,” Maddin, who has since earned bachelor’s and master’s degrees, told the Guardian newspaper.

This is how Gorsuch described Maddin’s dilemma:

“He called his company for help and someone there gave him two options. He could drag the trailer carrying the company’s goods to its destination (an illegal and maybe sarcastically offered option). Or he could sit and wait for help to arrive (a legal if unpleasant option).”

Gorsuch doesn’t characterize it as a life-threatening option. He calls it “unpleasant,” as if it had been nothing more than enduring the stench of a cow pasture.

Gorsuch’s dissent says it was perfectly fine for TransAm to fire Maddin for acting to save his own life. Under Gorsuch’s reasoning, a corporation is entitled to require a worker to die for a load of meat.

    There is no way this 1 percenter could imagine himself in a trucker’s shoes.

At the confirmation hearing, Sen. Franken tried to get Gorsuch to put himself in Maddin’s place. The senator asked the judge, who at 49 is only a year older than Maddin, what option he’d have taken, driving the unsafe trailer or freezing to death.

Gorsuch, who answered questions with “gosh,” or “my goodness” or “golly,” as if he had not been born to wealth and educated in exclusive private schools, repeatedly refused to answer, finally asserting, “Senator, I don’t know. I wasn’t in the man’s shoes.”

Despite the down-homey show Gorsuch put on, there is no way this 1 percenter could imagine himself in a trucker’s shoes.

Gorsuch has treated other vulnerable people the same way. In the case of Grace Hwang, a lawyer and college professor who suffered breast cancer then leukemia, Gorsuch again sided with an employer who fired a worker faced with untenable choices.

When Hwang recovered and prepared to return to teaching at Kansas State University at the end of a six-month leave, her doctors advised her to wait because her immune system was compromised and flu was epidemic on campus. The university refused her request for more time.

In the opinion he wrote, Gorsuch justified her firing, saying that federal law is not intended “to turn employers into safety net providers for those who cannot work.” In an article in the San Francisco Chronicle, her children, David and Katherine Hwang, aptly described Gorsuch’s decision as heartless. “It removed the human element from the equation. It did not bring justice,” they said.

Autistic children like Endrew F. got no better treatment from Gorsuch. In the case of such a child, Gorsuch wrote that it was fine for a school district to provide instruction to special-needs children that resulted in improvement that was “merely... more than de minimis,” in other words, advancement so trivial as to be barely measurable.

Virtually no educational progress is fine for autistic children, in whose shoes Gorsuch could never imagine walking.

The current eight members of the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously disagreed last week with the measly educational standard Gorsuch set. In the case of Endrew F. vs Douglas County, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that a school district has a duty under the law to provide such children with “an educational program that is reasonably calculated to enable [them] to make progress” and that the program “must be appropriately ambitious.”

To Gorsuch, Alphonse Maddin is not a man, but a “trucker.” In Gorsuch’s world, an autistic child is not a human deserving an education. In his mind, a college professor relinquishes personhood when she falls ill. Gorsuch’s perverse propensity to discount humanity makes him unfit for the court. A soulless man cannot serve justice.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-soulless-man-cannot-serve-justice_us_58d7db00e4b0f633072b38a3?section=us_politics
 
The article underlying this post addresses one of the arguments made to claim that inequality in the US isn’t as bad as the widely-discussed figures make it out to be, as if other evidence, like the extent of private jet use and the explosion in high end housing prices, isn’t a major indicator. The nay-sayers argue that US taxes and transfer are redistributive and adjusting for them makes thing look less bad. While the data assembled by Piketty, Saez, and Zuc does show that to be true, it also shows that inequality is nevertheless rising strongly.

Another issue not addressed, and it would be too thorny to work through in a satisfactory way, is that transfers are far from the sum total of government spending. Basically, these economists have been forced to add back the type of government expenditure that ameliorates inequality. But as readers know, much of government spending is socialism for the rich, but it benefits corporations, and then flows back to individuals via executive comp, higher fees for service providers, and stock market gains. One tax expert argues that while US taxes are progressive, spending overall is regressive, and you net out with a government that overall does not do much in the way of distribution. While that is based on observation (and that includes of the ugly details of the Federal budget) it sounds roughly correct.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/03/inequality-in-the-us-a-tale-of-two-countries.html
 

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