boji

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #120 on: July 11, 2018, 07:33:03 PM »
by definition norway is  not socialism.
Norway is a strange bird. An outlier in equality, civility, and prosperity in the socialist camp.
The swiss give the anti-socialist argument pause as well.   Does anyone know why it works so well over there?
Geography, climate, what?

btw for the record I felt the ULF in my big toe before the desoltandic flamequake, and was right to advise a lock of the thread.   ;D


boji

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #121 on: July 11, 2018, 08:57:55 PM »
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Khymer Rouge, Myanmar and Rohinga? I'm not picking Buddhism, just pointing out that Buddhists have carried out genocide in the 20th century and are in no special class of enlightened humans

Salty words, Gold.  True, but saoteh.   8)

Whoops. If a leader falls in forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/shambhala-sexual-misconduct.html

pucho812

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #122 on: July 11, 2018, 11:05:04 PM »
Socialism has value but only in the greeting cards.
 
Where else can you say
Leon Trotsky thinks you're hotsky.
Or other classics like
Roses are red, so is the state
Let us be comrades, because I think you're great.
You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is.

Matador

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #123 on: July 12, 2018, 12:53:42 AM »
Socialism has value but only in the greeting cards.
So are you arguing that democratic socialism and communism are actually the same thing?  Because those are different words that mean different things.

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #124 on: July 12, 2018, 04:25:46 AM »
by definition norway is  not socialism.
Norway is a strange bird. An outlier in equality, civility, and prosperity in the socialist camp.
The swiss give the anti-socialist argument pause as well.   Does anyone know why it works so well over there?
Geography, climate, what?

The US is not attacking them and overthrowing their government to put stooges in, enslave their populace, and take their natural resources.
When you make imprisonment a source of profit for the capitalist class, every single person's freedom is at risk. - LTrotsky21

sodderboy

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #125 on: July 12, 2018, 12:44:22 PM »
In all this discussion no one mentioned that less than

12% of the eligible electorate voted.

THAT is the real story!  What kind of slugs, in the hundreds of thousands, didn't even go out to vote for free sh*t?  Truly pathetic.

Mike


Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2018, 01:41:52 PM »
The dem cabal in New York does their best to make it hard and/or confusing as they can for people to vote in primaries, so they get to pick the candidates and not voters. They do this on the national level too of course, as we saw with Clinton. Are you surprised?

When you make imprisonment a source of profit for the capitalist class, every single person's freedom is at risk. - LTrotsky21

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #127 on: July 12, 2018, 02:01:01 PM »
Crowley isn't consenting to have his name removed from the november ballot for the working families party, and he hasn't endorsed Ocasio, even though he's claiming he's out of the race. Now you see the democrats.

https://twitter.com/JoeCrowleyNY/status/1017404605133553665
When you make imprisonment a source of profit for the capitalist class, every single person's freedom is at risk. - LTrotsky21

boji

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #128 on: July 12, 2018, 09:16:56 PM »
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Does anyone know why [socialism] works so well in over there?
Geography, climate, what?

The US is not attacking them and overthrowing their government to put stooges in, enslave their populace, and take their natural resources.

The world is not a monochrome of destitution and glut.  Also it's disingenuous (to say the least) to reduce everything to aggression and victimhood. I know this might come as a shock, but some countries actually steer themselves towards success or failure.

sodderboy

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #129 on: July 12, 2018, 10:38:51 PM »
The dem cabal in New York does their best to make it hard and/or confusing as they can for people to vote in primaries, so they get to pick the candidates and not voters. They do this on the national level too of course, as we saw with Clinton. Are you surprised?

I hope you dropped the mao poster and have already twatted someone at the ACLU about this, fred!
The dem cabal in New York is colluding to confuse the electorate, suppressing the vote of predominantly people of color to the tune of 88%?!?
This is nukular compared to common sense voter ID legislation.
J'accuse...!







Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #130 on: July 12, 2018, 11:28:09 PM »
The world is not a monochrome of destitution and glut.  Also it's disingenuous (to say the least) to reduce everything to aggression and victimhood. I know this might come as a shock, but some countries actually steer themselves towards success or failure.

Lose the thesaurus and name me some socialist countries who are not currently being attacked by the US. Name me some that once existed that weren't attacked by the US.

Monochrome glut is precisely the topic here.
When you make imprisonment a source of profit for the capitalist class, every single person's freedom is at risk. - LTrotsky21

boji

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #131 on: July 13, 2018, 12:32:23 AM »
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Lose the thesaurus and name me some socialist countries who are not currently being attacked by the US. Name me some that once existed that weren't attacked by the US.
Lose the ad hominem (At what point shall the warnings pass the blood-brain barrier?) and false dilemma.  And booby trap- since 'an attack' can mean anything concerning US overreach. To drive the ignored point home:  All nations have a range of autonomy, some more or less than others, and much of their success and failure can be attributed to internal issues.

boji

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #132 on: July 13, 2018, 01:00:04 AM »
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"12% of the eligible electorate voted.

THAT is the real story! "

It is interesting that when the guilt of failure can be narrowed down to an individual's poor choice, and that individual is part of a larger group, that failure is then generally ignored by the group.  ???

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #133 on: July 13, 2018, 08:25:08 AM »
It is interesting that when the guilt of failure can be narrowed down to an individual's poor choice, and that individual is part of a larger group, that failure is then generally ignored by the group.  ???

As I said, people not voting is actively sought by NY dems, you can google it. They are the ones in charge of the voting, so their actions affect how many people wind up voting.

How many primaries have both of you voted in?
When you make imprisonment a source of profit for the capitalist class, every single person's freedom is at risk. - LTrotsky21

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #134 on: July 13, 2018, 09:31:52 AM »
Lose the ad hominem (At what point shall the warnings pass the blood-brain barrier?) and false dilemma.  And booby trap- since 'an attack' can mean anything concerning US overreach. To drive the ignored point home:  All nations have a range of autonomy, some more or less than others, and much of their success and failure can be attributed to internal issues.

Lol, you don't warn me, boji. You want to claim some cause (you can't say what, of course) for these countries suffering, but you avoid examining the most probable cause, US aggression, which has a long history of attacking socialist countries and groups, and is right now attacking any it can. What you don't want to admit is that the difference between successful socialist countries and those that fail is just that, US aggression, so we get the thesaurus and the winking and hinting.

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Name me some socialist countries who are not currently being attacked by the US.

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Name me some socialist countries that once existed, that weren't attacked by the US.

Hmm.

When you make imprisonment a source of profit for the capitalist class, every single person's freedom is at risk. - LTrotsky21

boji

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #135 on: July 13, 2018, 11:13:15 AM »
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Lol, you don't warn me, boji.
 
No I don't. I'm not a mod. I've actually suggested leniency concerning rabble rousing agitators.

So, to recap:
Q: Might be beneficial to inspect why some pro-socialist countries are doing well.
A: American aggression. Prove me wrong.

Dull your ax all you want. Or sharpen it, idc. I'm not going to assist with this one.

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Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #136 on: July 13, 2018, 11:58:22 AM »
Perfect. Guess you're not voting in too many primaries then either? :)
When you make imprisonment a source of profit for the capitalist class, every single person's freedom is at risk. - LTrotsky21

pucho812

You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is.

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #138 on: July 17, 2018, 10:30:34 AM »
She's already making new rules, man.

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New Rule: anyone that was cool with the GOP inventing $2 trillion out of thin air for freebies for people with yachts that have tiny yachts inside doesn’t get to demand how we pay for people who need chemotherapy treatments.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1016704302147096576
When you make imprisonment a source of profit for the capitalist class, every single person's freedom is at risk. - LTrotsky21

pucho812

Re: alexandria ocasio - cortez
« Reply #139 on: July 17, 2018, 10:49:26 AM »
She's already making new rules, man.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1016704302147096576

still deciding which is worse her tweet or the folks who responded to it.
You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is.