Whoops

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #80 on: July 25, 2020, 04:55:01 PM »
Looking on eBay there are plenty of servers for sale.

Don't need a server the Soundgrid "server" is a normal/standard computer

Or if someone spots a common computer that would make a good candidate they could mention it here.

Any motherboard with a Gigabit Intel LAN card (the most important thing)
And you can use any  i5 or i7 processor

Countless of cheap computers outhere for this




krabbencutter

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #81 on: July 28, 2020, 06:52:29 AM »
$s per C6

Hi now we have it working would it be possible to work out a sort of bang per buck table. Looking on eBay there are plenty of servers for sale. Many are under the hundred pound mark in an ITX(? small) size case and might work well if they use the onboard intel NIC. I don't think lots people would find the full depth 1U servers practical.
My 2015 1.6Ghz NUC works but maxes out too easily. Powerful new NUCs are too expensive (for me).

The C6 has generally been a good measure as it has been a fairly power hungry plug, perhaps people could list what they are running, how much they picked it up for, and how many C6s it runs in their DAW before maxing out!

Just a thought, hope its not too off topic.

Or if someone spots a common computer that would make a good candidate they could mention it here.

One thing to keep in mind are heat & noise. Smaller case = less room for cooling = more noise. That's also why you absolutely don't want to get an old 1U server, because those things are LOUD. I recommend something that fits a low-profile CPU cooler and at least some 80mm case fans.

I bought a Fractal Design Core 500 for my system https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/core/core-500/black/
It won't fit in a rack, but it's still fairly compact and portable. It's also really good value imo and has great airflow & fan support.
Getting everything in there can be a bit of a pain, but it's manageable. An SFX PSU will give you a bit more room to work with. The only real downside for me is, that the motherboard I/O lines up with the back panel. Because of that, the wifi antenna sockets on the B360N-WiFi motherboard stand out and are quite vulnerable. If you have a compatible motherboard without wifi, this won't be an issue though.

Speaking of "things that could easily break off": I can recommend the 'SanDisk Ultra Fit' usb drives. They are affordable, fast and don't stand out very much.

Whoops

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #82 on: July 28, 2020, 11:47:12 AM »
Hi, thanks for the input.

Is the thermal management working in your build?
Like when it's hot does the soundgrid software communicate with the the MTB and fans to speed them up and when it's colder slows them down?

Some people seem to have problems with the thermal management not working on the DIY servers

Thanks

Whoops

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2020, 12:42:05 AM »
Hi,
I have the server image version 9.7, if someone has a newer version could you please send it to me?

Thank you so much
Best Regards

Whoops

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2020, 10:10:12 PM »
I bought an HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Ultra-slim PC for cheap and tried to install the server image on the internal SSD drive.
It came with a 32GB SSD that I have no other use for, so I'm not using an USB PEN.

I followed krabbencutter great instructions posted on this thread:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1311451-diy-waves-soundgrid-server-2020-edition.html

I followed the instructions and was able to create the "Syslinux 6.04" on the boot drive and extracted the .wfi content to the drive.

I tried to boot the computer just to see if the installation was successful but although it recognizes the Syslinux 6.04 I get a "No configuration file Found" message an it gets stuck on "Boot: _"



The computer/server is not connected to a soundgrid card or to an host computer,
is this normal or it should boot?

What does the "No configuration file Found" message means?

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #85 on: August 08, 2020, 09:35:37 AM »
Hi Whoops
This is a suggestion:

Download a Linux Iso, Use Rufus to Install it on to a usb stick, if done correctly this will make the usb stick a bootable directory.
On the new PC switch on and hold down F2 or which ever key allows you access to the BIOS.
Make the appropriate changes in the BIOS so the computer looks for a bootable USB stick before it defaults to the hard drive.
Insert the stick in the new PC and restart
If the PC loads up LInux then you are nearly there.
On your other machine examine the SGS file you have and compare it with the contents of the stick with Linux distribution that you now know works.
There should be some similarities, the sort of files that tell the computer that it is dealing with an operating system and not a programme file. If your SGS images has a similar structure then carefully delete the Linux files from the stick and paste in the SGS image.
Put this in your machine and give it a go.
Hopefully you will get Penguins!!
I have attached a photo of how it should look when it's booted up.
If it goes into a loop then connect to network cable between your d.a.w. and the computer you are using as a server and restart your server if all is well it will look like the picture.
Run the sound grid software on your d.a.w. computer and let it connect.
Once you've got this far you are able to update the server from your d.a.w. computer by holding down a key (Can't remember which one but I mentioned it in the post further up) and clicking on the update button in the bottom right corner of the server icon in your version of soundgrid studio.
This should allow you to choose where it is installed so you could choose the hard drive in the machine instead of the Stick.
Then change your server BIOS settings to boot from the hard drive.

Hope this is of help!
 



Whoops

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2020, 02:17:07 PM »
Hi,
I was able to do the server and tested it today in a friends soundgrid system and it was immediately recognized.

The problem I was having it was because I've made a mistake and didn't extract the server image directly to the root drive.
The image has 2 folders: Boot and Version. Those 2 folders need to be at root level and I extracted them to a Soundgrid named folder inside the root.

This is what boot drive should look like:


I used the internal SSD Hardrive and not a USB PEN, it works both ways.

This is really easy to do, I never imaged it would be that easy.
This are the steps I did, using instructions from krabbencutter in this thread:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1311451-diy-waves-soundgrid-server-2020-edition.html


1) Downloaded Rufus , https://rufus.ie/, you will need Rufus to format the boot drive to a bootable Syslinux 6.03 drive
2) Open Rufus, click the  "Show advanced drive properties" option and click "Show USB Drives"
3) Select the drive where you want to install the image
4) On the "Boot selection" drop-down options choose "Syslinux 6.03", click start
5)If rufus is not able to download the ldlinux.c32 file and you have an error, download it manually from  https://rufus.ie/files/syslinux-6.03/ldlinux.c32   to the "rufus_files"  folder (in my case this folder was on the desktop has it was the rufus exe file location
6)After you are sucessfull in creating the syslinux drive, open the soundgrid server image with 7-Zip https://7-zip.org/ and extrack the server contents, Boot and Version folders, to the syslinux drive root

Then you're done, it's really simple.
Thanks krabbencutter for the guide


joaquins

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #87 on: August 19, 2020, 04:15:37 AM »
$s per C6

I took apart the one I got working as I put that PC as the main one for recording, it is an i7 4770K.

Thermals weren't an issue, with the stock cooler it stayed about 60°C at full load. The clock was conservative, but that thing would run hot even under the stock clock if something would be wrong.

I'm planning to rebuild the server (likely on the same motherboard) with a 4th gen i5, not even a fancy one, and see how it works, at least it should help the i7. If it doesn't cut it I do have an i5 5670k but that pc is being used, so would be a bit of a hassle to swap.

I could upload the amount of C6 it loads if that's useful, but I don't know if that would be helpful as it's an older system and finding one might not be easy, I just have them lying around. I don't know when I will get a chance to do it, though. The i7 it's kind of out of the question as it's a working computer right now and on a different motherboard, with an odd mounting cooler so I just wouldn't, I did maxed it out with a combination of plugins (I didn't know if only one would be representative) but you could check that against yours, I did mentioned that before.

I'm not sure how resources are managed and measured, I did notice that at first it chews quite a bit but once it was almost full it loaded quite a few more without problems. I didn't tested that extensively, just mentioning. For that I think itmmight be better to load C6 up to 90%, maybe it's better to do it till it won't load any more.

JS
If I don't know how it works, I prefer don't turn it on.

Whoops

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #88 on: August 19, 2020, 05:16:42 PM »
I'm still amazed on how can a $2500 item be so easy to do...

It's unbelieveble

bernatvm

Re: DIY compatible Waves Soundgrid Server
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2020, 11:55:46 AM »
I'm still amazed on how can a $2500 item be so easy to do...

It's unbelieveble

What really amazes me is how a company can manage to sell a "so easy to do" item at $2500 prize tag...


 

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