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is it OK to use voltage multipliers to generate 300 - 350VDC for B+ supply, using the heater transformer 9 - 12 V.

 
A diode-capacitor voltage multiplier 12V to 360V needs dozens of stages. This will sag more than you expect.

But everything can be "OK".
 
ohhh Sag ...
i tried switching, had problem with grounding! then a big job came, i had to pack it up... might as well try switching again.

 
If it's a beefy heater transformer that you have, then it'd be OK to use another small heater transformer in reverse from that existing heater transformer's 9 -12v.  This is assuming this extra transformer can have its, what was, primary strapped for EU 240v AC.
 
Winston O'Boogie said:
If it's a beefy heater transformer that you have, then it'd be OK to use another small heater transformer in reverse from that existing heater transformer's 9 -12v.  This is assuming this extra transformer can have its, what was, primary strapped for EU 240v AC.

you know what, i  think you are genius....



 
kambo said:
you know what, i  think you are genius....
This method is tried and true.  Take a look at the Gyraf G9 power supply: it uses both methods.

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kambo said:
you know what, i  think you are genius....

Far from it my friend.  Unadulterated plagiarism  :D

As Matador posted, Jacob has a tried and trusted scheme which you could follow. or use as inspiration.
Just keep a running total of your Volt-Amps to make sure your first transformer can handle everything.

 
Aren't power transformers like toroids used in small signal qiute cheap this days? Here in eastern Europe it makes more sense ordering custom one than buying two EIs, most companies also export to Germany... I'm used to ordering 2x max power for lowest EMI for HT, even several heater taps and +-15V for signal level solids state with all shields comes cheap.
Let's say toroid with 230V/50mA, 7 and ~7,5V@1,5A, 45V/50mA and +-15V at low I (low signal levels) with electrostatic shields and stuff. How much would it cost where you guys live? It really interests me because V doubler questions surfaces so often.
 
i found this in my archive, dont know the origin of it....

any advice, would it sag less, worth a try ?

 

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Those charge pump designs aren't good outside of a handful of mA's, and with the high edge rates are noisy too.

I would stick with the G9 methods, as there are three there to try:  a traditional IC regulator (TL783), a voltage multiplier, and even a discrete regulator.
 
Winston O'Boogie said:
+1 from me too..
because i haven seen anything more practical than this... using it all the time!
i sometimes use those chepo yellow trx on both side, if only need some tiny current for s single tube sitar fx psu!


 
ruffrecords said:
Transformers for tube work are available e.g:

http://www.ampmaker.com/store/240V-6.3V-toroid-power-transformer.html

Cheers

Ian
Hey that's a decent price for that! 
One thing, I do wish heater windings were a tad higher voltage for DC in general.  I know AC mains tends not to drop too much on the whole,  but once you allow for a 10% low line and even using Schottky diodes, it only gives some 1.5 volts for a CRC filter and across a regulator.  Even running heaters at 6V rather than 6.3 and using a low drop out regulator chip, I never feel 100% comfortable the reg won't drop out of regulation when out in the World.
I suppose if it were 7 volts, then the AC guys wouldn't be too happy 🤔  so I understand.
Otherwise 👍
 

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