So I have been trying to pin point exactly where and what is contributing the most towards this vocal sound I have been chasing .

It's a vocal sound I have been intrigued by drake's camp mixed by noah 40 and their main engineer  gadget (who mixes all their artist records and also big names like rhinanna and beyonce etc.. which all the records he does has the same sound)

I know they say they record with a sony c800g.


This is one of noah and drakes's first projects

1) --->  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tObhNvR8K8&list=PL3EEC695699635C2A&index=4

Now notice the the next projects by them I am going to link you. One from their grammy winning album and the other from one of his later studio albums and notice the tremendous quality difference.

2------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgL33XNLhu0
3-----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQsWkb8uzL4
4---->  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1opQY1dJ34
5------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1opQY1dJ34
6-----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhhyQKNasXo

Now I am trying to pin point exactly what is getting them this sound on his vocal.... I know his voice is a big factor but it is something their doing with the equipment or their processing because their older projects did not sound like this.

Is it just a great chain and the sony g or is the converters, or is it the processing there doing??

I know he mixes alot in the box but it almost sound like their is some sort of exciter going on on the vocal yet it is amazingly loud and dynamic and the high end on the vocal is lush sounding and it almost sounds like they degraded the sample rate a bit blended in on just the HF or used a really good eq and rolled off the top end..... I just can't seem to figure it out.

What do you all think?
« Last Edit: March 22, 2020, 11:56:25 AM by Deadrecords »


scott2000

Re: How are they getting this subtle high end roll off on their vocal?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 01:08:33 AM »
I can't hear well on my phone but it could bit of everything you mentioned or not ... Interesting thought on the SR converting... Not heard that before...

Deessers and hf limiters are nice tools as well in thissss regard I'd imagine....

Good luck with your search. I used to hate trying to figure tricks out and finally getting it when it went out of style.....or when they finally released the tool or software publicly  .....lol




Re: How are they getting this subtle high end roll off on their vocal?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2020, 01:15:03 AM »
I can't hear well on my phone but it could bit of everything you mentioned or not ... Interesting thought on the SR converting... Not heard that before...

Deessers and hf limiters are nice tools as well in thissss regard I'd imagine....

Good luck with your search. I used to hate trying to figure tricks out and finally getting it when it went out of style.....or when they finally released the tool or software publicly  .....lol

Forsure man. Noah is known for using the degradation of SR to help mold his sound so I wouldn't doubt his camp gets creative with it on drake's vocal or fx. Not sure if that is what they are doing or not but it might be that with just a combination of just good gear.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 01:19:36 AM by Deadrecords »

scott2000

Re: How are they getting this subtle high end roll off on their vocal?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 02:13:17 AM »
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Noah is known for using the degradation of SR to help mold his sound

Cool...

I guess I should've said the SR technique you hypothesized was original to me .... Heard other similar techniques...

Good luck!

fazer

Re: How are they getting this subtle high end roll off on their vocal?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 11:59:46 AM »
Have not listen to audio from YouTube so not sure but  Dolby A hi freq compression has been a trick since the 70s.  Then a roll off would be needed.   Look at this tread.

https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=74360.0


Mastering is also crucial.   It’s amazing what good mastering can do to the final vocal sound.  They have some secret weapons in their kit.   I remixed to give the mastering engineer what they need.  I appreciate and need their help with my final product delivery.

 All that said you start with a great voice rich in harmonics.  It’s got to be there to get there..
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 12:10:59 PM by fazer »

Re: How are they getting this subtle high end roll off on their vocal?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2020, 02:22:06 PM »
Have not listen to audio from YouTube so not sure but  Dolby A hi freq compression has been a trick since the 70s.  Then a roll off would be needed.   Look at this tread.

https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=74360.0


Mastering is also crucial.   It’s amazing what good mastering can do to the final vocal sound.  They have some secret weapons in their kit.   I remixed to give the mastering engineer what they need.  I appreciate and need their help with my final product delivery.

 All that said you start with a great voice rich in harmonics.  It’s got to be there to get there..

Interesting.. thank you for this! I'm guessing preforming this with a  plugin vs using hardware and actually executing this process physically is night and day correct?

fazer

Re: How are they getting this subtle high end roll off on their vocal?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2020, 03:30:03 PM »
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Interesting.. thank you for this! I'm guessing preforming this with a  plugin vs using hardware and actually executing this process physically is night and day correct?

I’ve not used a plug in only a 361 hardware with Cat 22 card.   It’s pretty nice on vocals and acoustic guitars. 

Usually for me the plugin emulation never sounds like the analog chain. Someday that will change.   I used a 251 telefunken on vocals and it seemed like you could jet eq with a simple eq and it never got a biting quality to it.  I remember years ago Rhianna came in with Chris Brown and recorded some vocals while being on tour.   She had a great vocal sound.   Can’t help with the gear that was used.   I was doing post production in another room.   We had a mix but the tracks were on their hard drive and they walked with it.   The studio had some focusrite 430s and a Amek Motzart RN. Console.   


 

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