DaveP

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2020, 06:28:30 PM »
Another 78 year old, is this the best that they can do?  Where are today's Kennedys?

DaveP
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JohnRoberts

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2020, 06:56:44 PM »
Another 78 year old, is this the best that they can do?  Where are today's Kennedys?

DaveP
Ageism?

OK today's Kennedys (at least one MA puke) is kissing up to Venezuela for free heating oil, while I don't know if Venezuela can still afford to do that to just buy a little influence with MA democrats with name value. Probably not a bad bet a decade ago.
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OK another on-topic observation about social media, Zukerberg is making headlines in EU hearings this week calling for more government regulation. I have mentioned before that this is a classic strategy from large established companies who can afford the overhead cost of the staff required to satisfy government regulators to build a wider moat against competition from new smaller upcoming competitors who cant afford rigorous government regulation.  I think first time I talked about this I referenced the old fable about brer rabbit saying he didn't want to be thrown in the briar patch, while actually wanting exactly that. Zukerberg is not even pretending that he doesn't want government overlords. He knows he'll end up OK.   8)

JR

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DaveP

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2020, 03:41:47 AM »
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Ageism?
No, age hopefully brings wisdom, but more worrying about completing the term and being capable of another if successful.

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OK today's Kennedys (at least one MA puke) is kissing up to Venezuela for free heating oil, while I don't know if Venezuela can still afford to do that to just buy a little influence with MA democrats with name value. Probably not a bad bet a decade ago.
I didn't mean actual kennedys, I meant the equivalent in todays world.  There is no-one with a national name in middle age in the public eye.

DaveP
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JohnRoberts

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2020, 01:14:43 PM »
No, age hopefully brings wisdom, but more worrying about completing the term and being capable of another if successful.
I didn't mean actual kennedys, I meant the equivalent in todays world.  There is no-one with a national name in middle age in the public eye.

DaveP
Yes, Jack Kennedy  (John F) was special and well liked. Even Marilyn Monroe liked him. His siblings did not seem cut from the same cloth.

There are a few potentially electable around, but so far most are too smart to lower themselves to engage in politics.

Just checking the female diversity box we have, Oprah with huge popularity, Michelle Obama has good name recognition and political popularity, on the other side of the aisle we have Nicky Haley,  or Condoleezza Rice.

Less attractive for diversity we have several male billionaire/multi-millionaires who are not yet too old to handle the rigors of politics. Mark Cuban, Marc Benioff, etc...

Sports and entertainment successes rarely have mental chops that live up to their physical prowess or brand recognition. This doesn't stop them from sharing their lack of wisdom on twitter/instagram.

Sadly the smarter they are the less enthusiastic they are about joining the political scrum, for obvious reasons. 

We  generally get the politicians we deserve. Perhaps that's why the federal government is limited by the constitution to reduce  the damage they can do.   8)

JR
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DaveP

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2020, 02:17:13 PM »
I always thought Nicky Haley was the most competent member of that administration

DaveP
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JohnRoberts

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2020, 10:45:33 AM »
It appears that former VP Joe Biden's self described fire wall ( winning South Carolina) held, so he is back in the race.

Steyer dropped out after his disappointing 3rd Place finish, despite spending something like $200M (he can afford it). The question now is how much more money is he willing to throw behind other democrats.

Other candidates that did worse that Steyer are still holding on.

Bernie got spanked (distant 2nd place in SC), but he did better than he did against Hillary last time and is expected to do well in other upcoming races. So this is far from over.

JR

 
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JohnRoberts

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2020, 11:47:51 PM »
Looks like Mayor Pete tapped out.... He wasn't ready yet, but showed some promise.

JR
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pucho812

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2020, 02:31:00 PM »


The older I get the smarter our founders seem.

JR

 yes.

As a person living with city mice who came from fly over country mice I can tell you that places like L.A. are not the norm. You go outside of L.A. proper and it's a completely different story. Folks need to step outside their city bubbles and the media needs to step outside their bubble and really see what is going on.  If they broke up California as has been proposed before, the voting map would look way different. 

But to the OP I find it interesting that there are so many on social media wanting Bernie, yet the rest of the party seems to want to push others instead. Could it be they feel Bernie cannot get elected? I find it funny most people who want Bernie,  always like to tout we want socialism but not like the socialism in Cuba or Venezuela but like what they have in the nordic countries without really reading the fine print.   The fine print  to me is that they are not real socialism but a mix of things that works well for them, I do not feel it would work in the U.S.   
In the end what do I know, I just keep watching the process and watching folks wanting the DNC nomination Peter off,  who is next?
You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is.

dogears

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2020, 02:55:58 PM »
Anyone seen the maryl Streep film on Netflix about the USA being the biggest tax haven in the world. Apparently in 2016 the top 60 biggest US corporations paid no tax at all despite earning a total of $79 billion. Is anything being done about that? Surely it is an election issue?

Cheers

Ian

Corporations don’t pay taxes. Consumers do. Corporation taxes are just stealth taxes on all consumer goods and services.

DaveP

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2020, 03:41:17 PM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51710945

Another one bites the dust.

Americans always seem to be confused abour Socialism, it is not Communism like China, Venezuela  or Cuba.

It is really just a national health system,  a national pension scheme and a safety net for the unemployed, that's it.

There is still every incentive to work hard, buy your own home and provide for your old age just as in the US.

Still, I guess there are very interested and powerful voices in your insurance industry that want you to believe otherwise.

DaveP
Soundcloud: Delayed Action.


dogears

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2020, 04:22:38 PM »
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Americans always seem to be confused abour Socialism, it is not Communism like China, Venezuela  or Cuba.

It is really just a national health system,  a national pension scheme and a safety net for the unemployed, that's it.

There is still every incentive to work hard, buy your own home and provide for your old age just as in the US.

Still, I guess there are very interested and powerful voices in your insurance industry that want you to believe otherwise.
Forgive, but the definition of socialism is when the state ("society" collectively vs individually) owns the means of production, distribution, markets, etc.

The US already has a national health payment system for the poor and elderly (aspects of ACA, medicare, medicaid), a national pension scheme that also include support for the disabled (social security) and multiple programs as safety nets for the unemployed (unemployment insurance, food stamps, etc). If that's what Bernie and the other socialists want - fantastic! We can wave the flag, socialism is accomplished.  ::)

JohnRoberts

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2020, 05:04:50 PM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51710945

Another one bites the dust.
Amy Klobachar and Pete Buttigieg are already lining up to endorse Joe Biden tonight in TX.. The night is yet young there may be more climbing on the Biden express before the night is over.
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Americans always seem to be confused abour Socialism, it is not Communism like China, Venezuela  or Cuba.

It is really just a national health system,  a national pension scheme and a safety net for the unemployed, that's it.
Luckily we have people like you to 'splain it to us.
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There is still every incentive to work hard, buy your own home and provide for your old age just as in the US.

Still, I guess there are very interested and powerful voices in your insurance industry that want you to believe otherwise.

DaveP
It really irritates me when people assume I am incapable of forming my own opinions and easily influenced by big business lobbying.

EU socialists suggesting we should embrace socialism are like that married couple with a single friend who figure he isn't in as much pain as they are, so they work extra hard to help get him married too...  ::)

Yes, a joke, but think about it.....

JR
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DaveP

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2020, 06:03:32 PM »
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It really irritates me when people assume I am incapable of forming my own opinions and easily influenced by big business lobbying.
These conversations are generalisations, no-one would believe you were influenced by anyone JR.

It really irritates me when people assume socialism is communism.

DaveP
Soundcloud: Delayed Action.

JohnRoberts

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2020, 06:45:18 PM »
These conversations are generalisations, no-one would believe you were influenced by anyone JR.

It really irritates me when people assume socialism is communism.
Political arguments are often hyperbolic... relating Bernie to communism is a short hand, smear. Ironically perhaps most of his young followers don't even understand the criticism.

Bernie just within the last week heaped praise on  Castro for teaching his people how to read ( things like the communist manifesto).  ::)

Bernie likens his brand of socialism to be like Sweden or Denmark, but IIRC leaders from both those countries have publicly rejected his comparisons as inaccurate.

I see little reason to seriously consider Bernie (but then again most did not take candidate Trump seriously in 2016).  :o

It looks like the Democratic leadership are ganging up against Bernie to once again make sure he doesn't win the Democratic party primary, but of course the future has not happened yet, so who knows?

JR 
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DaveP
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DaveP

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2020, 03:11:14 AM »
All of these terms are relative.

The UK has just elected the most "right wing" government we've had for years, but it's still operating a socialist system in a capitalist state.  The social care brought into being in 1945 has never been rejected by any government since, but the nationalisation has.  (nationalisation was when the government took over the train system and the coal mines)

DaveP
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dogears

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2020, 08:00:08 AM »
All of these terms are relative.

The UK has just elected the most "right wing" government we've had for years, but it's still operating a socialist system in a capitalist state.  The social care brought into being in 1945 has never been rejected by any government since, but the nationalisation has.  (nationalisation was when the government took over the train system and the coal mines)

DaveP

They nationalized they hospitals so it isn’t even quite right to say that nationalization has been rejected.

But saying a socialist system in a capitalist state is like saying dry water. They’re economic terms.

JohnRoberts

Re: The Social Media Trap
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2020, 10:22:37 AM »
They nationalized they hospitals so it isn’t even quite right to say that nationalization has been rejected.

But saying a socialist system in a capitalist state is like saying dry water. They’re economic terms.
So much for explaining socialism...  ;D

I joke that we are already a little pregnant with socialism, and will likely carry that baby to term... The question as I see it is how long can we stave off the inevitable.

Bernie present a pretty clear opportunity to head further down that path.

JR
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