JohnRoberts

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #940 on: May 21, 2020, 12:39:45 PM »
One of the subjects touched on in the videos is corona viruses in dogs and cats - it appears so far that there is no transmission from cats to humans. There is a corona virus that infects cats and causes feline infectious peritonitis, which was 100% fatal until it was discovered it could be treated with an antiviral very similar to Remdesivir, which had to be bought on the black market from China for exorbitant cost, because of Gilead's fears it might delay FDA approval of Remdesivir.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/05/remdesivir-cats/611341/?utm_source=feed&fbclid=IwAR324EI5jKQzMWYfXuj4No4F2bYpGlShLRI6lv3bx2C4kaRPh0B0Y7E2PHE
I recall seeing that some zoos were testing big cats, back while many humans were not getting tested. I ranted about that at the time.

I guess it is a positive sign for our economy that some people can afford to spend thousands of dollars for black market drugs for their kittens.  According to ASPCA something like 860,000 unwanted cats are euthanized each year. Perhaps rescue a few doomed pets and donate the thousands of dollars to a good charity... or not.

Last count my neighbor had more than half a dozen cats, running loose. He probably wouldn't miss one or three...

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Perhaps another green shoot... today while grocery shopping at wally world I scored some brown rice and yeast for the first time in several weeks.

JR
Don't only half-ass tune your drums. Visit https://circularscience.com to hear what properly "cleared" drums sound like.


crazydoc

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #941 on: May 21, 2020, 05:00:25 PM »
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I guess it is a positive sign for our economy that some people can afford to spend thousands of dollars for black market drugs for their kittens.  According to ASPCA something like 860,000 unwanted cats are euthanized each year. Perhaps rescue a few doomed pets and donate the thousands of dollars to a good charity... or not.

Last count my neighbor had more than half a dozen cats, running loose. He probably wouldn't miss one or three...
My daughter did TNR (trap, neuter, release) in feral cat colonies in NYC for 10 years, using her own money many times to pay the vets. She now does the same in Oregon. Much more compassionate than euthanasia and eventually as effective, but much more costly and labor intensive.

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Perhaps another green shoot... today while grocery shopping at wally world I scored some brown rice and yeast for the first time in several weeks.

I went there yesterday - besides the employees, still only maybe 10% of customers wearing masks. Ignorance/egoism abound.

Luckily, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
The secret of happiness is having low expectations.

JohnRoberts

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #942 on: May 21, 2020, 05:51:36 PM »
My daughter did TNR (trap, neuter, release) in feral cat colonies in NYC for 10 years, using her own money many times to pay the vets. She now does the same in Oregon. Much more compassionate than euthanasia and eventually as effective, but much more costly and labor intensive.
My neighbor doesn't trap, or release. I am pretty sure he neuters any that stick around long enough for him to befriend. Since he leaves food outdoors he attracts numerous strays, even the occasional possum.
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I went there yesterday - besides the employees, still only maybe 10% of customers wearing masks. Ignorance/egoism abound.
I try to shop relatively early in the morning, but not "senior hours early" that is too early for me.  Today I can't remember any shoppers without masks but there could have been one somewhere. I saw two shoppers both wearing masks that were definitely not social distancing, she was dressed to attract attention and it was definitely working on one he. I had to take a different aisle at least once when they were blocking an aisle side by side deep in conversation.

I noticed that wally world just instituted one way aisle directional markers. I guess in theory that provides a little more distancing if you don't meet shoppers coming the other way in narrow aisles.

Hard to imagine MS being less ignorant than any other state but we'll take the compliment... thanks.

JR

PS: Here is my new COVID invention for this week... Craft a mask made from transparent material, so people can read lips for better intelligibility, and women can enhance their appearance wearing lipstick. May not be easy to make a n95 mask invisible, but I bet a spit mask could be made.
Don't only half-ass tune your drums. Visit https://circularscience.com to hear what properly "cleared" drums sound like.

crazydoc

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #943 on: May 21, 2020, 06:35:40 PM »
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Hard to imagine MS being less ignorant than any other state but we'll take the compliment... thanks.
Lassen County CA politically might as well be Idaho.

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PS: Here is my new COVID invention for this week... Craft a mask made from transparent material, so people can read lips for better intelligibility, and women can enhance their appearance wearing lipstick. May not be easy to make a n95 mask invisible, but I bet a spit mask could be made.
My other daughter works at a zoo and has to do day camps and teach classes (when things "open up"). She sent my wife this link to see if she could make her some, thinking the kids would be less freaked if they could see her mouth. I told her it looked like Terminator times.

https://www.hsdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/HSDC-Instructions-for-Clear-Window-Masks.pdf

Any ideas for a transparent material that passes/filters air?
Luckily, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
The secret of happiness is having low expectations.

JohnRoberts

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #944 on: May 22, 2020, 10:23:52 AM »
The window mask makes the face look almost simian, yes a little scary.

No I do not have material suggestions (I'm just the big idea guy), perhaps a clear window with almost clear translucent material surrounding it to look less scary.   

JR

https://gizmodo.com/transparent-fabric-traps-dust-lets-air-flow-freely-1762277244




https://www.etsy.com/market/see_through_fabric
$10
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Don't only half-ass tune your drums. Visit https://circularscience.com to hear what properly "cleared" drums sound like.

scott2000

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #945 on: May 26, 2020, 07:45:52 AM »
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I went there yesterday - besides the employees, still only maybe 10% of customers wearing masks. Ignorance/egoism abound.

I think reading the comments below this article was enlightening to hear how some people feel about this.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/watch-staten-island-grocery-shoppers-drive-out-woman-who-refuses-to-wear-a-mask-in-the-store/

here's the twitter feed with the video attached....

https://twitter.com/McauleyHolmes/status/1264721468761481216
« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 07:52:30 AM by scott2000 »

Script

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #946 on: May 26, 2020, 08:22:24 AM »
I think reading the comments below this article was enlightening to hear how some people feel about this.
Couldn't find any comments. How do some people feel about it?

scott2000

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #947 on: May 26, 2020, 08:38:49 AM »
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Couldn't find any comments. How do some people feel about it?


"worked well.
real americans I can be proud of for a change."

"In a general sense you ought not f**k with New Yorkers. We're kinda feisty. But specifically residents of "The City" where more than 25,000 deaths have been caused by Covid? She's lucky they didn't dismember her in the freezer aisle.

No hyperbole."

"I love New Yorkers. Well done, shoppers! People who refuse to wear masks are giving a giant middle finger to everyone else, and they deserve this kind of treatment. Time for decent, smart people to take our country back from the self-centered ignoramuses"

"Two people in front of me at the pharmacy yesterday weren't wearing a mask. I started carrying on a conversation with the guy behind me after I winked a couple of times to let him know that I was carrying on a ruse. I then started acting like I was sick. I asked the guy if he'd hold my place in line while I go sit down for a minute because I wasn't feeling well. Told him I think I just had the flu but I'm waiting on my test to come back so I'd know for sure. The girl, one of the two in front of me started mouthing something to her partner and then they both jumped out of line and left. I hope they stayed awake all f**king night wondering if just maybe they got infected. Hope they f**king worried about it for the next few days. f**king assholes."

JohnRoberts

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #948 on: May 26, 2020, 08:44:59 AM »
I wear a mask while shopping mostly to not distress other shoppers, it seems like the responsible thing to do in these times.

JR
Don't only half-ass tune your drums. Visit https://circularscience.com to hear what properly "cleared" drums sound like.

Script

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #949 on: May 26, 2020, 09:48:41 AM »
This made me actually watch that video. Hm, from this side of the globe -- be it 'You wear no mask, get out!' or 'I don't wear a mask, selfish and proud!' -- it all looks very loud.


living sounds

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #950 on: May 26, 2020, 10:52:41 AM »
People enjoy their self-righteousness, don't they? Yes, one side is correct here, but one would hope for a little more dignity and humility.

JohnRoberts

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #951 on: May 26, 2020, 11:17:25 AM »
People enjoy their self-righteousness, don't they? Yes, one side is correct here, but one would hope for a little more dignity and humility.
They don't post videos of people behaving sensibly and respectfully.

I grew up in NJ and we used to joke that the NJ turnpike runs through the middle of the stinky marshlands so out of staters will keep driving and settle somewhere else.  These ugly American videos that your news services love to show may ultimately serve the same purpose.   8)

JR

Don't only half-ass tune your drums. Visit https://circularscience.com to hear what properly "cleared" drums sound like.

Script

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #952 on: May 26, 2020, 11:50:27 AM »
Have been reading up on the Swedish approach. Found this article quite good (didn't know The Local and not sure how good). Quite comprehensive though, many aspects, and indeed good for comparison.
https://www.thelocal.com/20200520/as-europe-comes-out-of-lockdown-what-lessons-can-be-learned-from-sweden

Gist:
communication and trust to nurture understanding and cooperation. Very clearly communicated behavioral recommendations right from the start. Ongoing process of local adjustments (including legal) when and wherever needed.

The article even briefly touches upon (economic) prospects.

JohnRoberts

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #953 on: May 26, 2020, 02:46:32 PM »
I hear that Japan just rescinded the emergency status... any lessons there?

JR
Don't only half-ass tune your drums. Visit https://circularscience.com to hear what properly "cleared" drums sound like.

boji

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #954 on: May 26, 2020, 06:44:25 PM »
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I wear a mask while shopping mostly to not distress other shoppers

It's been a wild ride.  I early adopted the mask, and it had the reverse effect at many stores I frequented until the collective conscious flipped script.

JohnRoberts

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #955 on: May 26, 2020, 08:32:39 PM »
It's been a wild ride.  I early adopted the mask, and it had the reverse effect at many stores I frequented until the collective conscious flipped script.
This may be the wrong thread for this but I suspect the shortage of mask availability a couple months ago delayed the initiation of strict requirements for everybody to wear them. Telling people to wear masks they couldn't get might cause too much drama.

JR
Don't only half-ass tune your drums. Visit https://circularscience.com to hear what properly "cleared" drums sound like.

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #956 on: May 26, 2020, 09:31:00 PM »
Just wanted to touch base with everyone and say hi.

Been building Mr. Thompson-Bells designs... 2 months went by!

Images coming soon! SICK IMAGES!

@ruffrecords
If you are curious, you'll find the puzzles around you. If you are determined, you will solve them.
Erno Rubik

Script

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #957 on: May 27, 2020, 01:11:30 AM »
I hear that Japan just rescinded the emergency status... any lessons there?

JR
While WHO praises Japan, there are many things to harshly criticise in Japan's response, some very culturally specific, other less so. Anyway,  this article takes a more differentiated look at it.
https://www.bloombergquint.com/coronavirus-outbreak/did-japan-just-beat-the-virus-without-lockdowns-or-mass-testing
Even briefly touches upon the myth of Japanese uniqueness  ::)

Phasing out of restrictions is envisioned to last until August, provided new local infections (i.e. in a prefecture) stay below all of a total of three indicators.

Recommendations and countermeasures remain fully in place:
- 3T's: test, trace, treat
- 3C's: avoid closed spaces, close contact and crowds ( actually that's six C's)

crazydoc

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #958 on: May 27, 2020, 02:28:03 PM »
Now that things are "opening up," mandatory face coverings would be an important part of limiting the spread of the virus due to significant asymptomatic shedding.

"An editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine in late April called asymptomatic transmission 'the Achilles’ heel of COVID-19 pandemic control through the public health strategies we have currently deployed.'

In another study, also published in the New England Journal of Medicine, 56% of residents at a skilled nursing facility in Washington state’s King County who initially tested positive showed no symptoms at the time, but most of them later did show signs of illness. It took a median of four days for them to show symptoms.

Visibly healthy people can be omitted from efforts aimed at trying to identify infected people, such as attempting to screen incoming airline passengers from overseas.

Further, a silent spreader can transmit the coronavirus simply by talking. Loud talking can emit thousands of saliva droplets per second, and researchers recently found that, in a stagnant air environment, droplets of fluid sprayed from the mouth remained in the air for as long as eight to 14 minutes before drying up.

'These observations confirm that there is a substantial probability that normal speaking causes airborne virus transmission in confined environments,' said the authors in a study published May 13 by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

That’s why it’s so important to adhere to social distancing and wearing masks, experts say."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/as-california-reopens-a-silent-coronavirus-threat-still-looms/ar-BB14G1rI?ocid=bingcovid

However, I know of very few government mandated mask use in public places anywhere in the US, and leadership at the top (monkey see, monkey do) is non-existent. So it looks like the game plan is to continue to let the virus spread, and  keep the infectious rate low enough that it doesn't overwhelm the health system again until vaccination can be instituted.
Luckily, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
The secret of happiness is having low expectations.

scott2000

Re: COVID-19
« Reply #959 on: May 27, 2020, 02:39:28 PM »
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vaccination can be instituted.

Any idea how effective the H3N2 vaccine is? It's been around a while....

I hear they are talking about synthetic vaccines next.....


 

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