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FarisElek said:
Those are construction sites that happen to be near protests.
I am not promotong this conspiracy (either one) but reportedly there was no construction going on in these several down town areas, and construction sites don't generally leave raw materials laying around on city sidewalks, where they can walk away. (Still could have been false flag.)
But yeah, it's easy to find bullsh*t if that's what you're looking for.
hard to avoid it these days
First of all, there is no way for antifa to supply bricks to anyone. It's not an organization, there are no meetings, there is no council, there is no source of funding, etc.
no antifa meetings here in small town MS.

These days the only openly public funding is to bail out innocent protesters who "accidentally" looted and destroyed private property.  The rest is done on the down low indirectly through like minded groups, because they have been closely watched for years. Antifa is not a new group. Reportedly they used secure (thank you apple) communications to scout and direct attacks.
Antifa is simply a philosophical belief. It's short for anti-fascist.
Ironic name isn't it...?  Cover for anarchy.

wiki said:
The antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] movement in the United States is a militant, predominantly left-wing, anti-fascist political activist movement[7][12] that comprises autonomous activist groups that aim to achieve their political objectives through the use of direct action rather than through policy reform.[13][14][15][16] Activists engage in varied protest tactics, including digital activism, property damage and physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist, racist, or on the far-right.[22]
Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian and anti-capitalist views[23] and subscribe to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy and socialism.[24][31] Both the name antifa and the logo with two flags representing anarchism and communism are derived from the German Antifa movement.[32]
I hope and assume everyone on this board is anti-fascist.
yup,,, as a nation we have been anti-fascist since before WWII when there were real facist leaders in power around the world, and a real threat to liberty.
In Austin, many of the aggressors at the protests (there weren't many), were actually identified and there facebooks were shared. The main couple I saw were super far right white guys causing trouble to discredit the movement. Every day keeps getting crazier.
Doxxing is a tactic used by radical groups.

Austin it pretty liberal/progressive, but even in Austin I would not expect rioting to be condoned. I searched Austin antifa and my head hurts,  ::) who were the Austin Antifa three? (2016). 
But I like to see it as it has to get really bad before it gets better. So I hope for true peace and justice for us soon, instead of the false peace we've been living in for decades.
Hell no.... Are you encouraging or promoting more violence? ("But I like to see it as it has to get really bad before it gets better") That is not a path to any kind of peace or justice in any world... 

False peace?  You are imagining a false war.

JR 
 
squarewave said:
I'm guessing this is some wacky conspiracy theory but I must admit I'm curious: Who exactly might want to further weaken our economy?
my fault I guess... this should be in the covid politics thread...(i moved it).

It is (or should be) common knoweledge that a strong economy favors the incumbent, so logically a weak economy hurts the incumbent.

I won't generate a full list but one notable talking head who suggested that a failing economy would be worth it to get rid of POTUS, was HBO's bill marr...

https://www.newsweek.com/bill-maher-donald-trump-economy-recession-967984

JR
 
"By clicking register below, you are acknowledging that an inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. By attending the Rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury."

The campaign is not expected to require guests to wear masks or socially distance at the event, as Trump has chafed at the optics of both.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/trump-rally-sign-up-includes-disclaimer-about-potential-covid-19-exposure/ar-BB15mmDB?ocid=bingcovid

Which to me translates as "If you fuckers are stupid enough to attend my harangue, not wear masks or social distance, you're on your own whether you get sick from this or from anywhere else that you've gone."

 
crazydoc said:
"By clicking register below, you are acknowledging that an inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. By attending the Rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury."

The campaign is not expected to require guests to wear masks or socially distance at the event, as Trump has chafed at the optics of both.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/trump-rally-sign-up-includes-disclaimer-about-potential-covid-19-exposure/ar-BB15mmDB?ocid=bingcovid

Which to me translates as "If you f**kers are stupid enough to attend my harangue, not wear masks or social distance, you're on your own whether you get sick from this or from anywhere else that you've gone."

And weirdly, we're now at point where this is utterly unsurprising and just what we would expect from them, isn't it?

Trump really does not care about people.
 
JohnRoberts said:
Perhaps a better topic for the COVID politics thread, the nature of a massive infection (pandemic) is that death tolls and infections will continue to rise over time (with hyperbolic news reporting every new big number milestones). Further increased testing will logically result in more confirmed cases (duh).

I am not smart enough to predict a second wave (or third) but of course we should be cautious. I will predict that we are far better prepared now to deal with any future waves, than we were.

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New study suggests steroids can significantly improve survival rate....  This is well known that steroids reduce inflammation, of course they can also have secondary effects.

JR
As suggested, I'll transfer this to the politics thread. I'm not talking about media hyperbole and new cases - there are increases in hospitalizations, which have nothing to do with testing - the disease is making a comeback. Again, those in charge are ignoring the initial signs that things are getting worse, and by the time they realize it, some areas will be in shit city again, the way Europe and the northeast US were initially, with the medical system overwhelmed.
Gradual opening of society is the right thing to do, but apparently a lot of folks think this means the pandemic is over, and they can now ignore the mitigation measures that have helped in the recent past. Congregations of people without distance and masks are bringing it back again.
And the worst of all, the leader, who should be doing everything he can to rationally respond to the pandemic, is doing the stupidest thing possible, and those who will model his behavior will lead to more illness, death, and further economic and societal problems.
 
crazydoc said:
As suggested, I'll transfer this to the politics thread. I'm not talking about media hyperbole and new cases - there are increases in hospitalizations, which have nothing to do with testing - the disease is making a comeback. Again, those in charge are ignoring the initial signs that things are getting worse, and by the time they realize it, some areas will be in sh*t city again, the way Europe and the northeast US were initially, with the medical system overwhelmed.
It looks like Beijing has spike related to one huge meat/produce market. May be a super infector (like that S Korea night club spike), or they missed the initial wave.

I expect that health professionals are monitoring this far more closely than I could even if I tried. I have seen predictions of a next wave expected in Sept...  News media appears to report that the sky is falling daily.
Gradual opening of society is the right thing to do, but apparently a lot of folks think this means the pandemic is over, and they can now ignore the mitigation measures that have helped in the recent past. Congregations of people without distance and masks are bringing it back again.
People are friggin idiots...
And the worst of all, the leader, who should be doing everything he can to rationally respond to the pandemic, is doing the stupidest thing possible, and those who will model his behavior will lead to more illness, death, and further economic and societal problems.
ah hah... President Trump is trying to kill off his voters, or is as stupid as his opposition thinks (hopes).  Speaking of politics it is instructive to hear that it is OK to ignore social distancing if the cause is important (like BLM), but republican or religious assembly is just unacceptable.

I have a hard time filtering out political bias from so many otherwise respected authorities. There will be obvious political winners and losers from keeping the economy shuttered even longer than necessary. That doesn't mean they are lying but politicians often bend the truth for personal advantage.

Time will tell if large assemblies of people trigger spikes or even new waves. I am not smart enough to predict, but I am smart enough to suspect bias in different authorities.

Apparently my local churches reopened sunday, but not my idea of how to spend sunday mornings, so I have no idea if they wore masks. My guess is that many did... I can ask, but it might be unsafe to talk with my neighbor now if he got infected in church.  ::)

Be careful everybody, wash your hands. Stop picking your nose.

JR
 
JohnRoberts said:
President Trump is trying to kill off his voters, or is as stupid as his opposition thinks (hopes). 
As a narcissist, he is an addict to adulation, and can't help himself. He will succumb to his addiction, even if it means his demise.
Speaking of politics it is instructive to hear that it is OK to ignore social distancing if the cause is important (like BLM), but republican or religious assembly is just unacceptable.
The mitigating factors are that they (BLM) were outside, and most wore masks. Not what will happen in a lot of projected situations. We shall see.
Time will tell if large assemblies of people trigger spikes or even new waves.
Right - and my bet is they will.
 
JohnRoberts said:
Speaking of politics it is instructive to hear that it is OK to ignore social distancing if the cause is important (like BLM), but republican or religious assembly is just unacceptable.
The moment that Trump supporters are choked to death, and then gassed, pepper sprayed, and beaten by the police for protesting, then you might have a valid point.

Otherwise, apples, meet oranges.
 
scott2000 said:
Let's hope this doesn't happen...

I guess we can monitor it some here.....

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html
We'd need state-by-state data or graph of daily new hospitalizations to see even a delayed picture of what's changing where (and I can't find one). Thanks for the link, but it only provides data for 100 counties in 10 selected states, only gives hospitalizations per 100k population, and seems to be at least a couple of weeks behind. And if hospitalization is a week or more behind the onset of an individual's disease, and our data is a couple of weeks behind that, we have no idea how the pandemic is progressing in real time.

The Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) conducts
population-based surveillance for laboratory-confirmed COVID-19-associated hospitalizations in children (persons
younger than 18 years) and adults. The current network covers nearly 100 counties in the 10 Emerging Infections
Program (EIP) states (CA, CO, CT, GA, MD, MN, NM, NY, OR, and TN) and four additional states through the Influenza
Hospitalization Surveillance Project (IA, MI, OH, and UT). The network represents approximately 10% of US
population (~32 million people)
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scott2000 said:
Can't blame this orange for trying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MtgDmS3iwo
Yeah, putting on the dog whistle cap really got his message across.  ::) And then "give me money" in the video.
 
From what I've read the virus is expected to hit rural areas and red states harder soon, since a lot of people there either don't/didn't follow scientific recommendations as closely, are poorer and have less access to quality health care and often their state governments opt(ed) to keep businesses, churches etc. open.

The BLM protests surely will account for additional infections, but probably far less than the above.
 
and this is why I spend less time around here...  I was having better arguments with myself. 
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On topic the "can't sue" waivers are generally not upheld by courts, but guess what..? Having to sign a waiver that you could get sick and maybe die from attending the rally, might just impress, even dumbass Trump voters, to wear their masks and social distance....  ::)

JR
 
"In recent days, the media has taken to sounding the alarm bells over a 'second wave' of coronavirus infections. Such panic is overblown," Pence wrote in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece. https://www.wsj.com/articles/there-isnt-a-coronavirus-second-wave-11592327890 "We are winning the fight against the invisible enemy."

"The definition of insanity (or supreme stupidity) is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MtgDm
Yeah, putting on the dog whistle cap really got his message across
Methinks that guy is rather a comedian.

In that context, kneeling down is the symbol of solidarity and 'uniting', and not shouting through a megaphone and repeatedly shouting: "I'm out -- I'm out!" -- Dodgy and not so good comedy  ::)
 
from: JohnRoberts on Today at 11:28:25 AM
A campaign event with closely spaced people yelling and cheering seems likewise another super spreading opportunity.
If there's a documented spike in Tulsa from this, his re-opening campaign rally could be the final spike in his campaign coffin.

(Oops - should have gone to the politics thread - hard to keep politics and covid separate, they're so intertwined.)
fixed it for ya...
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In my judgement it isn't covid but the inflamed political climate that makes it so hard for us to keep in our lanes.

JR
 
crazydoc said:
If there's a documented spike in Tulsa from this, his re-opening campaign rally could be the final spike in his campaign coffin.

(Oops - should have gone to the politics thread - hard to keep politics and covid separate, they're so intertwined.)


JohnRoberts said:
Please try a little harder. In my judgement it isn't covid but the current political climate that has smeared the lines separating topics. I was not trolling for political commentary but understand how some could take it that way.

JR
Sorry about that - over to politics. In my judgment politics is the major factor in the USA having  by far the worst outbreak of covid in the world, by Trump denying the onset and apparently thinking that if he admitted its existence and did anything about it, it would be bad for him politically (and personally of course). Also the politics of the people denying its seriousness and not complying with the mitigation measures, because "the gov'mint can't tell me what to do and take away my freedom." Now, with Pence doing the same thing in his op-ed, the same thing is happening again and there's going to be more societal disruption and many folks are going to needlessly get sick and die.

Edit: I guess you were fixing it while I was fixing it.  :)
 
If your judgement is correct and Trump/Pence kill off a bunch of their own republican voters, your problems are solved.

I still can't predict the future.

JR

 
Why is wearing masks such a political thing? It makes zero sense. It is not an infringement of rights to require people to not do harm to others.
 
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