[zebra50]

Anybody here actually had a vaccine shot yet?

My mum and great aunt were jabbed on Friday. They are 77 and 79 respectively, so maybe gives an indication of progress here in the UK.

[ruffrecords]

That's about what I expected. My neighbour who is 76 got his last week but his wife who is only 71 got hers too.

Cheers

Ian

[crazydoc]

LA County Fire Department COVID cases dramatically decrease after 75% get vaccinated

Currently available COVID-19 vaccines worked well in clinical trials, and now we're seeing evidence they're protecting people in the real world - even after one dose. The Los Angeles County Fire Department has seen a dramatic decrease in its COVID-19 positivity rate since firefighters started getting vaccinated during the last week of December.
Approximately 75% of the county’s firefighters, over 3000 people, have received their first dose of the vaccine. In December their COVID-19 positivity rate was 18%. It has dropped to 5.6%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/la-county-fire-department-covid-cases-dramatically-decrease-after-75-get-vaccinated/ar-BB1d6ASL?ocid=bingcovid

[JohnRoberts]

LA County Fire Department COVID cases dramatically decrease after 75% get vaccinated

Currently available COVID-19 vaccines worked well in clinical trials, and now we're seeing evidence they're protecting people in the real world - even after one dose. The Los Angeles County Fire Department has seen a dramatic decrease in its COVID-19 positivity rate since firefighters started getting vaccinated during the last week of December.
Approximately 75% of the county’s firefighters, over 3000 people, have received their first dose of the vaccine. In December their COVID-19 positivity rate was 18%. It has dropped to 5.6%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/la-county-fire-department-covid-cases-dramatically-decrease-after-75-get-vaccinated/ar-BB1d6ASL?ocid=bingcovid

I didn't see any mention of wether that 5.6% were vaccinated?

JR

[Script]

everyone needs two shots of either the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for that 95% protection.

This might answer it.

[crazydoc]

I didn't see any mention of wether that 5.6% were vaccinated?

JR

Good question. But if 25% have not been vaccinated, it's possible most or all the positive tests were in that group. Then again, as Script mentions, you need 2 doses for full protection. and many have only had one dose.

I can't find any relevant data.

[JohnRoberts]

This might answer it.

Moderna did some testing of one shot effectiveness  and reportedly realized 80-90% which is pretty damn good.

The Sinovac (chinese covid vaccine) recently approved for use in brazil, delivers just over 50% effectiveness... (50.38%).

If we are operating in an apparent shortage of vaccine doses, it seems prudent to give twice as many people 80% effective protection. This seems like a no brainer, but moderna has not been formally tested as a one jab vaccine, so not authorized for use that way. The 80-90% result was from a single 2,000 person trial.

It has not been tested any other way than the two jab regimen 3-4 weeks apart so we have no idea if delaying the second jab until supply catches up would have an adverse impact. It is easy to imagine the benefit from vaccinating twice as many people with first jabs.   

JR

PS: Moderna is reportedly working on new vaccine variants better matched to new COVID strains.

[ruffrecords]

If we are operating in an apparent shortage of vaccine doses, it seems prudent to give twice as many people 80% effective protection. This seems like a no brainer, but moderna has not been formally tested as a one jab vaccine, so not authorized for use that way. The 80-90% result was from a single 2,000 person trial.
JR

That is the case  here in the UK. The original plan was to get the second dose three weeks after the first but because the first does give some protection they then decided to change this to 12 weeks so they could give first injections to more people. They are now talking about changing this to six weeks.

I think it is important to remember the vaccine does not prevent you catching Covid; it just gives your body ready made tools to destroy it quickly before it can be a serious threat to life.

Cheers

Ian

[JohnRoberts]

J&J (not approved yet) is projecting making 1B doses this year, so I might get a jab yet, even in MS.

JR

[ruffrecords]

J&J (not approved yet) is projecting making 1B doses this year, so I might get a jab yet, even in MS.

JR

LOL. How many days hike is it to civilization?

Cheers

Ian

[crazydoc]

LOL. How many days hike is it to civilization?

Cheers

Ian

Going west it's through Louisiana or Arkansas, north through Tennessee and Kentucky, and east through Alabama (you know, where the sharpie marker said that hurricane was going to hit). So I think the best bet is to get in a boat and head south to the Yucatan where the Mayans still live.

[JohnRoberts]

LOL. How many days hike is it to civilization?

Cheers

Ian

That depends on how you define civilization....? I have a Walmart about 7 miles away, and WWW even closer.

I am a born and raised Yankee (NJ)..... but have lived here in the deep south for several decades and now feel very much at home. Watching the "big" cities on the news makes me feel even more OK about living in the boonies. In fact I have become a little defensive about people casting shade on MS, without ever experiencing it first hand.

JR

 PS: I appreciate that elections have consequences so I will wait for my dose(s).

[ruffrecords]

That depends on how you define civilization....? I have a Walmart about 7 miles away, and WWW even closer.

I am a born and raised Yankee (NJ)..... but have lived here in the deep south for several decades and now feel very much at home. Watching the "big" cities on the news makes me feel even more OK about living in the boonies. In fact I have become a little defensive about people casting shade on MS, without ever experiencing it first hand.

JR

 PS: I appreciate that elections have consequences so I will wait for my dose(s).

I long been envious about just how much space many Americans have. OK you have 5 times the population of the UK but you have at least 50 times the area. Add to that the fact that California has about the same area and population as the UK which means the other 49 states have even more room.

Cheers

Ian

[Winston O'Boogie]

That's about what I expected. My neighbour who is 76 got his last week but his wife who is only 71 got hers too.

I took my mum and dad (87 & 93) for their 1st jabs and feel better for them having had it.

The figures I see reported on TV for the percentage of the population having received a 1st jab is about 10 in every 100 which is a pretty good chunk thus far.

I hope your area is up to speed and has now seen most of the +80 there so that you and your wife get your letters of summons/invite soon.   

Take care 

[Winston O'Boogie]

...  I think the best bet is to get in a boat and head south to the Yucatan where the Mayans still live.

    

Sadly, I never made it to M.S.  The closest I ever got was 3 months in L.A. (N'Orlins) in the '90's when I worked on a pair of old Neve desks.
I loved the culture, the food, history, and everything about New Orleans.   
 
But I sure would have liked to have visited Elvis' birthplace in Tupelo.   

[Script]

Israel might be a good case in point. They are the worldwide fastest in inoculation.

Here's a quote from an NHK article in Japanese (Google translation).

...128,600 people who have completed the second vaccination.

When we examined the situation more than a week after the second vaccination, 20 people tested positive, accounting for 0.01%. All 20 had symptoms such as coughing and headaches, but none were hospitalized. In addition, 10 of them had underlying illness.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20210127/k10012836221000.html

Added:
A different article gives three reasons why Israel can inoculate at such a fast pace:
- universal health care system
- medical data is all digital
- people get notified by text message onto their phones
( - comparatively small population and they paid slightly more for the Pfizer jabs plus deal with them on post-inoculation data sharing, I think)

[JohnRoberts]

   

Sadly, I never made it to M.S.  The closest I ever got was 3 months in L.A. (N'Orlins) in the '90's when I worked on a pair of old Neve desks.
I loved the culture, the food, history, and everything about New Orleans.   
 

It's hard to get a bad meal in Nawlins....

I used to participate in a 10k race down there every year with some 30,000 runners, pretty much a party with beer trucks and live bands at the finish area.

But I sure would have liked to have visited Elvis' birthplace in Tupelo.   

Elvis moved to Memphis, TN and that is the official tourist trap.  Hard core musos visit the "crossroads" where Robert Johnson reportedly met the devil.

MS has a long list of notable popular musicians (BB King, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Albert King, and many more).

JR

[Winston O'Boogie]

Hard core musos visit the "crossroads" where Robert Johnson reportedly met the devil. 

Well yes, that would've naturally been the 1st stop before Tupelo 

MS has a long list of notable popular musicians (BB King, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Albert King, and many more).
 

It sure does - Also Elmore James, Mississippi John Hurt, and in keeping with  Elvis' heritage, there's Arthur 'Big Boy' Crudup.