Recording Engineer

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2020, 02:30:52 PM »
After this latest story of Hunter Biden’s laptops being repaired, the recovered email, and the other out-of-thin-air garbage evidence and single witness, will sensible people please come back to reality?

Trump and his campaign was absolutely never pushing back against the high-drama, attention-seeking media, but only using some truth and known annoyance as an endless talking-point; which worked-out great!

Since Trump and his campaign’s supposed attack on bs media reporting, things have gotten far far worse in that respect, with themselves at the helm. It’s surprising how many really smart people have eaten this all up!


pucho812

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2020, 09:02:03 PM »
Ah yes, the Obama presidency, the one people claim is scandal free and boring except it wasn't scandal free.

There were a lot of dirty dealings and bringing of Friends along for the ride. There were a lot of things we should have been more concerned about.

Here is a good list although I am positive it is not complete.

https://lists.grabien.com/list-complete-guide-scandals-obama-administration
You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is.

boji

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2020, 11:52:39 PM »
Regular suspects, simply reply "counterexample and redirection".  Most will know what you had in mind.  ;D

Matador

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2020, 01:08:24 AM »

iturnknobs

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2020, 07:22:41 AM »
no you couldn't pay me to follow twitter

Feel free to ignore the official White House Statement machine while you comment on it. Seriously? Their words, not mine. Here's the jist of the article since you openly profess to not inform yourself about the president's statements(and will probably again choose to not click on a link that doesn't conform to your ideologies).

Quote: The Department of Justice on Monday told a federal district court judge In Washington, D.C. that Donald Trump’s tweets are “official statements of the President of the United States.”

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/government_says_trumps_tweets_are_official_presidential_statements

Please do. Your eyes might be opened by the violence and anti-science he(Trump) supports and reposts. Why actually see what is being said when you can consume the "red meat". Lock Whitmer up! Maybe you could "cap her @ss". This is what you are supporting by not "following" Twitter(your president's megaphone) with an open mind... and Q-Anon... and white supremacy... science denial...
« Last Edit: October 19, 2020, 08:05:17 AM by iturnknobs »
Election 2020.  For the people, not the money.

iturnknobs

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2020, 07:29:09 AM »
This one is especially salacious...
COVFEFE.


https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/spell-check-white-house-facebook-post-misspells-americans-article-1.1122870
Ah yes, the Obama presidency, the one people claim is scandal free and boring except it wasn't scandal free.

There were a lot of dirty dealings and bringing of Friends along for the ride. There were a lot of things we should have been more concerned about.

Here is a good list although I am positive it is not complete.

https://lists.grabien.com/list-complete-guide-scandals-obama-administration
Election 2020.  For the people, not the money.

pucho812

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2020, 04:54:06 PM »
Not into whataboutism a, but to call the Obama presidency scandal free is a lie.
You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is.

Recording Engineer

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2020, 05:31:51 PM »
Fine. Then to not call the Trump presidency an insanely-massive mountain of a scandal in comparison to Obama’s would be a lie as well.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 05:39:56 PM by Recording Engineer »

Matador

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2020, 05:40:18 PM »
Fine. Then to not call the Trump presidency an insanely-massive mountain of a scandal in comparison to Obama’s would be a lie as well.
#twomovies

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2020, 06:06:05 PM »
Presidents are human.  To expect superhuman levels of flawlessness in any of them would be silly.    Whether you voted *for* someone, or *against* someone else,  you'll never be able to say with 100% honesty that you've been comfortable with all they did whilst in office.   

But, you just hope you made a good choice, and you hold your nose a little on the stuff that somewhat stinks.

I was an Obama supporter.   I'll be the first to say his presidency was not all I'd hoped it would be.  Such is politics. 

But to compare the "scandals" of then (daring to wear a brown suit was a big one on Fox) to those of the current incumbent (many, many of which are still ongoing and will likely follow him until his death) is, frankly, ludicrous. 

No amount of nose holding is going to get rid of that putrid stench!   
   
Jeffrey Toobin: "This is the most embarrassing week ever."

Rudy Giuliani: "Hold my pants..."


Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2020, 06:36:04 PM »
P.S.  According to the QAnon cannon:  Wasn't JFK jnr. supposed to be making a miraculous re-emergence the other day?  I heard Trump was going to announce that Pence was stepping down and the newly un-dead JFK II was to be his new running mate.

Did I miss it?

Along the same QAnon lines:  Apparently Giuliani had yet another hard drive that contained paedophile pornography images with Hunter Biden in them.  These  he held onto until 2 weeks before the election ends before just now releasing them to the Justice Department and the FBI.   

Did Rudy not realise that holding onto child pornography of any kind is a crime? 

"Deep State" my arse.
Jeffrey Toobin: "This is the most embarrassing week ever."

Rudy Giuliani: "Hold my pants..."

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2020, 07:22:02 PM »
After this latest story of Hunter Biden’s laptops being repaired, the recovered email, and the other out-of-thin-air garbage evidence and single witness, will sensible people please come back to reality?

Giuliani's efforts could very well end up hurting Trump more than Biden if Ukrainian dirt starts getting kicked around again, so let's not be dismissive of his efforts too early ;)   
Rudy was already being watched by intelligence due to his association (unwittingly or not?) with known Russian agents so...

On sensible folks coming back to reality:   I think it's possible but it will take some time.   This stuff pre-dates Trump, although he certainly latched onto it as a way of garnering certain attention and turned the dial up considerably.   
I don't have answers as to how we get back to a more sensible dialogue between sides, but I do have faith.
Jeffrey Toobin: "This is the most embarrassing week ever."

Rudy Giuliani: "Hold my pants..."

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2020, 07:54:36 PM »
Politics really is more like a 'coercion engine' , Ireland is no exception ,
Long before you had the IRA ,surprisingly you had the IRB ,
rumour has it many of the heros of the early teens and 1920's  war of independence and subsequent civil war here were closet homosexuals recruited by the IRB who turned against their beastmasters to try to form a republican movement based on voluenteers , of course the lofty ideals they came up with didnt last long before reverting to a circle of dirt gathering, subsequent arm twisting  and blackmail .

To the average person the division between politics/big business,  church/religion  and the men in balaclavas appears like a clean cut three way divide ,
What Ive found is elements of this unholy trinity have conspired together to keep all sides at odds , a game of smoke and mirrors which feeds the most vulnerable in our society down into the fires of hell , while the so called pillars of society lapp up the cream/profit.

Step back from your force fed beliefs ,start to think independently or the three horsemen will have your soul torn asunder .
David.

 

living sounds

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2020, 08:28:02 PM »
Ah yes, the Obama presidency, the one people claim is scandal free and boring except it wasn't scandal free.

There were a lot of dirty dealings and bringing of Friends along for the ride. There were a lot of things we should have been more concerned about.

Here is a good list although I am positive it is not complete.

https://lists.grabien.com/list-complete-guide-scandals-obama-administration

Great list. They didn't have to go fishing at all and found real scandals left and right, like this one, courtesy of one of the world's great quality papers, The Daily Mail:

09/22/2012    
"Under the Great Recession, the number of Americans who killed themselves began outpacing those who die in car accidents. "

And they had no trouble finding the person responsible:
"Barack Obama
 White House"


Pure evil. If only we had been more concerned...



living sounds

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2020, 08:31:42 PM »
Or this one, brought to you by another of the world's great quality newspapers, The New York Post :

08/24/2014
"After discussing his dismay over the beheading of American journalist James Foley, Obama headed straight to the golf course."

living sounds

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2020, 08:37:35 PM »
Actually, after reading some more through this list, it's a great reminder just how squeaky-clean this administration was.

And how mad, mad, mad these current times and how utterly, utterly disastrous the Trump administration is. Off the charts bad. If someone made a list it would take weeks to read through all of it. Real scandals.


Guys, I hope that you will wake up soon and realize how biased you really are. But I'm not counting on it.

pucho812

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2020, 10:25:56 PM »
Fine. Then to not call the Trump presidency an insanely-massive mountain of a scandal in comparison to Obama’s would be a lie as well.

except I never did that
You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is.

pucho812

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2020, 10:27:37 PM »
Great list. They didn't have to go fishing at all and found real scandals left and right, like this one, courtesy of one of the world's great quality papers, The Daily Mail:

09/22/2012    
"Under the Great Recession, the number of Americans who killed themselves began outpacing those who die in car accidents. "

And they had no trouble finding the person responsible:
"Barack Obama
 White House"


Pure evil. If only we had been more concerned...

funny thing about having the top office in government, you get the blame when you are on the shift.  that's not new.
You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is.

Recording Engineer

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2020, 10:32:57 PM »
except I never did that

I know. It’s just there for anyone who has.

I suppose, I wonder why we’re talking of Obama’s ultra-mild presidency (too mild?) in terms of scandals among any modern presidency while there’s a massive mountain of scandals with the current one.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 10:44:21 PM by Recording Engineer »

living sounds

Re: Another pillar of the Deep State Conspiracy crumbles
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2020, 08:09:33 AM »
funny thing about having the top office in government, you get the blame when you are on the shift.  that's not new.

Except that it wasn't a scandal and that Barack Obama had no part in causing the recession.



 

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