Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2021, 03:52:16 PM »
In Mastering headphones are really useful for fades, clicks, noise , but tey're also used as a reference in conjunction with the other monitor systems. They're one more tool, one more reference, some people use them more than others but I can guarantee you that they're used.

That's a fair statement, I don't doubt there are some.  I just meant that I hadn't heard of it, either first hand from the horse's mouth, or read about/watched in interview etc.   
I'm not a mastering engineer so my own opinion isn't worth much on that subject, but I do personally think they're a valuable and good tool or reference, just as you said.   
D. J. H.

The standard way to reduce much of the noise and distortion in audio gear in 1955 was to have a couple of beers.
 Anything else was too fiddlesome and too expensive.


Gold

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2021, 07:16:21 PM »
I daresay fixing some mixes done on phones keeps you busy though ;)


I get a lot of mixes with exaggerated width. I assume they were mixed on headphones most of the time. I'm digging my M/S Barry Porter EQ. It's like having 1.5 EQ's. I could only do M/S ITB before so it was much less easy to use. Boost mid, cut side.

Gold

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2021, 07:18:39 PM »
In Mastering headphones are really useful for fades, clicks, noise , but tey're also used as a reference in conjunction with the other monitor systems. They're one more tool, one more reference, some people use them more than others but I can guarantee you that they're used.

I can't think of one mastering engineer I know who uses more than one set of speakers let alone headphones as an audio reference. They must be out there but I know many if not most of the ME's in NY.

Whoops

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2021, 08:03:57 PM »
I can't think of one mastering engineer I know who uses more than one set of speakers let alone headphones as an audio reference. They must be out there but I know many if not most of the ME's in NY.

I remember Andy Vandette and Howie Weinberg using them...

But I'm not really interested in going into a piss contest, it's another tool you can use or not

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2021, 08:58:34 PM »

I get a lot of mixes with exaggerated width. I assume they were mixed on headphones most of the time. I'm digging my M/S Barry Porter EQ. It's like having 1.5 EQ's. I could only do M/S ITB before so it was much less easy to use. Boost mid, cut side.

That's great, I'm glad you're digging the M/S on the Porter EQ, probably takes less than half the time as before.   Also nice that you're getting more and more use out of 'Shaker'.

Edit insert: Yes, getting width as you want can be a learning curve on headphones.
There are a few classical recording engineers who have occasionally only been able to use phones on site, and also mixed the whole thing live to stereo.  I suppose some TV would have to be that way too.   That's pretty good skills.

Re. your earlier post - I've had AKG 240's, as have lots of folks of course.  They're a proven tool, and if they allow you to do what you need on them, I can attest that they're 'shop-proof'.  I abused mine almost to the point of it being a war crime.    You can't really go wrong for the price.



« Last Edit: February 12, 2021, 09:10:56 PM by Winston O'Boogie »
D. J. H.

The standard way to reduce much of the noise and distortion in audio gear in 1955 was to have a couple of beers.
 Anything else was too fiddlesome and too expensive.

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2021, 09:03:12 PM »
I remember Andy Vandette and Howie Weinberg using them...

But I'm not really interested in going into a piss contest, it's another tool you can use or not

I'm sure Paul, and certainly me too, consider your opinion as being just as valid as ours or anybody's.
Both of us say that, although we don't know any personally, we don't doubt that there are M.E.s who use them.  And you provided 2 names of folks who do so, all good man  :)
D. J. H.

The standard way to reduce much of the noise and distortion in audio gear in 1955 was to have a couple of beers.
 Anything else was too fiddlesome and too expensive.

Gold

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2021, 09:26:31 PM »
I remember Andy Vandette and Howie Weinberg using them...

But I'm not really interested in going into a piss contest, it's another tool you can use or not

That’s the old Masterdisk. I was thinking currently but I was never in those rooms then either.

I have nothing against using whatever you want. I just couldn’t think of any ME’s who did.

Whoops

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2021, 10:31:34 PM »
Re. your earlier post - I've had AKG 240's, as have lots of folks of course.  They're a proven tool, and if they allow you to do what you need on them, I can attest that they're 'shop-proof'.  I abused mine almost to the point of it being a war crime.    You can't really go wrong for the price.

I bought a damaged pair of AKG K240 some years ago for cheap, at the time I thought it would be a nice project to restore them but I never did and I actually forgot I had them, but now that you guys recommended them I became motivated to fix them and try them out

Gold

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2021, 08:25:37 AM »
If I somehow was forced to master on headphones I’m sure I could figure it out. I’m not a white glove engineer. I got my Sony headphones when I got a CD player around 1985 on my way to college. I much prefer listening on speakers. Besides listening at home I used them for live sound gigs. I like big speakers even better.

I still have the set of little ADC speakers I used for years. They have wall mount brackets and the ports are tuned to be mounted on a wall. That with an NAD amp is a kick ass setup. I still use an NAD receiver at home.

zayance

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2021, 10:53:36 AM »
Ever consider trying those Headphone correction plugins?
Sonarworks or Tonebooster  Morphit etc...?
They actually help regarding mixing judgment when using headphones.
As for listening purpose, i have to admit that i was impressed by the Audeze brand and their mid to high end series, but that's a lot of cash..., but worth it if you can't afford a better acoustics for listening etc....


Gold

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2021, 11:36:12 AM »
Hopefully it’s uncontroversial to say the ideal is to have one reference that you trust.  Most mastering engineers work in the same room with the same equipment every day. Generally you are able to learn to trust the room. If you work in various locations under various conditions having more references helps.

I don’t need to rely on headphones as an audio reference because I trust what I hear in my room. I’ve never tried any correction software. Not everything I do goes through the computer so I’m not sure I could even use the software.

zayance

Re: Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2021, 03:37:02 PM »
Sure, my post was a general answer to the thread...
But yes, it all depends on what people have and reference too...


 

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