Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« on: March 04, 2021, 12:46:40 AM »
Hi guys. Im new to the forum and just started my drip opto 7. obviously in already have some questions for some of you salty guys one here. Im just now getting my parts together. Got my shopping cart on Digi-Key ready. Thing is though some of these resistors are either discontinued or have to be ordered in bulk. I think I found a way around it but I don't want to screw it up. For example the parts list calls for a 470K res 1/2W 5%,
but the brand that comes up on the instructions is ohmite. That one is not available for 5 months?! lol. Can I use any other through hole resistor as long as the specs are the same even if its a different brand? also does the composition of the said resistor have to be identical to the one in the opto 7 guide? Sorry if this is a stupid question. If I can use other brands than im good other than the fact that I can't find the gray hill rotary switch anywhere...Anyone here know what other rotary switches I can use besides the gray hill? I believe it calls for 4 rotary switches 2-6 pos 250MA 115V. im assuming that this is for the input and reduction knobs. Anyone know which other ones I can use besides the gray hills? I can't start this build till find these switches lol Thanks


PermO

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2021, 04:13:49 AM »
Any resistor with correct vallue and power rating will work.

Sometimes precission resistors are prefered on input pads to keep L and R the same or to keep all the steps at exactly 1dB.

For the rotary switches maybe check Lorlin switches.
"It's very important that you run trough the door, not trough the wall" - Sadhguru

TwentyTrees

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2021, 05:10:03 AM »
Welcome to the board!

On the switch thing, Grayhill are in short supply everywhere right now due to the pandemic. The key question (and I'm not familiar with this project) is whether the switches are PCB mount, or solder tag.

If they're solder tag, then you should be able to substitute something else such as a Lorlin / Blore Edwards etc, as long as there's physically space in the front panel layout and you choose the right contact form (shorting / non-shorting). You'd need to take account of other factors in your front panel design and knob selection - that might include bushing diameter and length, shaft diameter and length, and such.

If the switches are PCB mount then I'm not aware of any other switches that are the same pin spacing as Grayhill. You might be able to get round it by wiring up a solder-tag switch off board, but that might compromise something mechanical (again, I'm not familiar with this project so you'd need to take a view on that).

Hope that helps!

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2021, 06:04:37 AM »
Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. Ive built mics and stuff before but never a compressor. If anyone out there has any tips on calibration or special precautions that i should take please feel free to chime in.

dbonin

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2021, 08:00:50 AM »
In this latest stereo version the front panel switches are mounted to a PCB strip, much like drips EQP1A design.  You certainly can use other switches - you just have to know how to wire them up, but you'll lack the neatness of that nice PCB mount.
I built an older version drip EQP back in Jan and sourced these parts from onlinecomponents.com in Chicago.  You have to buy a min of two, but that's fine for you - you need a total of 4!  The only difference with these is that the shaft diameter is smaller.
Otherwise they are a drop in replacement.
https://www.onlinecomponents.com/en/grayhill/71adf30012ajn-11455575.html
Don't be fooled by the image on the page - these have a single deck of pins, as noted in the specs below the image.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2021, 04:40:41 PM by dbonin »
Stand off to the side of the unit, out of the line of fire.  Flip the ON switch...  "Watch for flames and sniff for smoke."

dbonin

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2021, 08:41:46 AM »
How the heck do you mount the XLR's to the rear of the case? The v7 Drip docs appear to show a PCB mount in one section of the PDF, but there is apparently no PCB depicted for that in other sections of the PDF,  where it shows all that is included (main PCB and front panel PCB).   I assume you have the PCB's already. 
The reason I'm asking is because all these PCB mounts make having a precision cut case an absolute must.

Edit:  googling for images I see there is a PCB that mounts the PSU and 4 XLR's to the rear of the case. 
« Last Edit: March 04, 2021, 09:08:35 AM by dbonin »
Stand off to the side of the unit, out of the line of fire.  Flip the ON switch...  "Watch for flames and sniff for smoke."

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2021, 02:25:52 PM »
Welcome to the board!

On the switch thing, Grayhill are in short supply everywhere right now due to the pandemic. The key question (and I'm not familiar with this project) is whether the switches are PCB mount, or solder tag.

If they're solder tag, then you should be able to substitute something else such as a Lorlin / Blore Edwards etc, as long as there's physically space in the front panel layout and you choose the right contact form (shorting / non-shorting). You'd need to take account of other factors in your front panel design and knob selection - that might include bushing diameter and length, shaft diameter and length, and such.

If the switches are PCB mount then I'm not aware of any other switches that are the same pin spacing as Grayhill. You might be able to get round it by wiring up a solder-tag switch off board, but that might compromise something mechanical (again, I'm not familiar with this project so you'd need to take a view on that).

Hope that helps!

Oh boy. You may encounter some trouble if you don't know that you can use any resistor with the correct resistance, wattage, and tolerance. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I worked forever on my Dual Sta Level and I found the lack of explanation of the universal PSU, the lack of schematic, and the small problems that arose that were unexplained very stressful. I'd approach this whole project very slowly. Watch videos on proper soldering and PCB cleaning and how to properly work with high voltages. Drip builds are never as straight forward as they're presented in my experience.

Also, if the universal PSU is like the one in mine, the XLR's are mounted on one side of psu and then the PSU/XLR's are mounted on the back panel.

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2021, 02:57:53 AM »
Im going to work on it very slowly. Im actually enjoying the learning part.Ive built mics and stuff before but they were "all included Kits" so I wasn't to sure if the brands of resistors effect the build or not yet. Whole new world ya know. But I'm enjoying it. This is my first Drip audio. Speaking of the PSU that's another question that I have. Are they supposed to be all universal now with the Errata update where your supposed to use the diodes instead of the rectifier tube like on the STA level ? Or is the Opto 7 different from the Sta? Im asking cause the docs from the opto 7 tell you to mount the tube and the docs from the STA tell you to skip it and use diodes instead. If this is so than how is the PSU "universal"? Sorry if its a dumb question

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2021, 06:23:16 AM »
Its a universal psu in that one pcb can power different devices with minor component changes with each build. There is literally no reason to look at the sta level build you're just going to confuse yourself further. They have completely different voltages. Focus on the opto manual.

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2021, 11:44:34 AM »
Ok cool thank you for the clarification


dbonin

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2021, 11:47:29 AM »
For the OPTO 7, if you're building a stereo unit all in the same box, only ONE PS is needed to power both channels.  That being said, I'd select the diode (not tube) power supply for better performance.
The opto v7 docs I read, like all drip designs, let you select either tube or diodes in the PS.  I've always used diodes and never had an issue.
Stand off to the side of the unit, out of the line of fire.  Flip the ON switch...  "Watch for flames and sniff for smoke."

JMan

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2021, 02:18:40 PM »
The STA uses the diodes because, according to Gregory, using the tube will cause overheating issues in that build.  For the Opto, it seems you have the choice of either.  I personally might agree with dbonin here and say go with the diodes, if for no other reason than I’ve heard complaints of new production 5ar4 tubes having a fairly short lifespan (can’t speak to it myself), and NOS can be frustratingly expensive.

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2021, 01:22:53 AM »
Also far as the gray hill switches Ive noticed that they are adjustable. so it doesn't matter if its a 2-6 pos switch or if its a 12 pos switch cause the 71 series can be adjusted either way...right?

Re: Drip opto 7 stereo build ... Problems ..
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2021, 02:56:09 AM »
The reason why I am so confused with this Drip Opto 7 build is because mine has one of the NEW psu's. The problem is that in ALL of the documentation for the build of the Opto 7 psu, IT STILL HAS THE OLD PSU INSTRUCTIONS! lol. This one has 2 new fuse holders and a 470 bleed where the "no choke" used to be. The STA level documentation however does have the updated PSU designs. So WHICH am I supposed to follow? And how am I supposed to follow the Opto 7's PSU instructions when they are outdated...My PSU board is just different than the one in the instructions. So what am I supposed to do here....


 

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