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pucho812

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Can anyone recomend a variable impedance theory/formula to figure out different resistances on a switch. I am looking to put together a variable impedance box which would go inbetween the mic and the mic pre thus being able to have variable impedance on any mic pre I wish. The switch itself is a 2 deck 4 or 5 position that at each position would have differnt resistance value and maybe a bypass position. Shouldn't be too hard to put together. I am thinking a few resisters, switch and box to put it in or am I missing something important?
 
I'm not sure this would work that well.

In series, you would be able to increase the load on the mic, but would you not drop voltage onto the resistor?

In parallel, you could lower the load on the mic, but would this not drop current onto the load resistor?

However, it may improve the performance for picky microphones.
 
Well was hanging out with a friend of mine and he really likes my Vipre. Which I must admit the Vipre does sound very good. So he was wondering if one could take the VI out of the VI pre and have it as a stand alone. I.E. A variable impedance box between mic and mic pre. Seems so simple maybe a trafo is needed as well and a few caps purhaps?
 
Does anyone know how the variable impedance is implemented in the VI pre?

A schematic?

I'll have a search.
 
I got it. A variable tap trafo.

About the Input Transformer
The Viper features an exclusive input transformer
custom-made in California to the highest industry
standards. A key feature is that it's a multitap
transformer, allowing a selection from four different
load impedances for a microphone. (Some other
"variable impedance" products on the market simply
switch in additional resistors, which actually makes
them "variable resistance"??a subtle but potentially
audible difference because of the insertion losses that
resistors cause.)
Benefits of transformers, generally
While modern solid-state input circuitry can deliver
excellent results at very low cost, input transformers
deliver several significant advantages:
? Greater CMRR (common mode rejection ratio):
this means that noise from the cable that appears
on both the + and ? leads simultaneously is more
likely to be rejected. Solid-state differentiallybalanced
circuits may have a good CMRR spec at
1 kHz, but often aren't as good at other
frequencies.
? More resistance to RF (radio frequency
interference): the windings of a transformer,
being naturally inductive, reject ultra-high radio
frequencies without requiring a capacitor in the
audio path as electronically-balanced circuits do.
? Lower impedance: it is easier to build a lowimpedance
input transformer than a lowimpedance
transistor input (which is one of the
reasons the industry went to bridging impedances
in the last few decades).
? A transformer is fully floating, isolating the circuit
from DC offsets, and to a certain extent from
surges and stray signals. You could think of it as
a magnetic link that keeps the circuits free from
mutual contamination.
For these and other reasons, the highest-level audio
consoles, especially those used by touring sound
companies, have always used input transformers. But
good quality input transformers are expensive, and
cheap input transformers used in affordable consoles
several decades ago gave transformers a bad name
with some engineers due to their irregular frequency
response and distortion.
The input transformer used in the Vipre is a totally
different story. Special care is taken to shield the
transformer windings from noise: a high-quality
double Mu-metal can surrounds the transformer. The
transformer itself is a "humbucking" type, with
specially-wound oppositional coils that cancel out
circuitry.
Impedance: Matching vs. bridging
In early audio devices, circuits were designed to
maximize power transfer between units. This meant
that input and output impedances should be matched,
e.g. a 150-ohm source would be terminated by a 150-
ohm load. This impedance matching maximized the
current in the load, at a time when every bit of current
was necessary due to primitive amplification methods.
One obvious down side to impedance matching was
that a single source couldn't easily feed several inputs
at once.
After the advent of high-impedance solid-state
circuitry, the era of maximum power transfer was over
and the focus shifted to conveying signals through
voltage, not current. The microphone or other source
generates a varying voltage, but very little current is
drawn in the circuit because the load it "sees" is so
high that it may as well be connected to nothing at all.
Most modern audio equipment is designed to present
a very high impedance load to the source. The typical
input impedance of a load is designed to be 10 to 20
times the output impedance of a typical source. This
is called a bridging input. (For a more in-depth
explanation of the importance of impedance, see page
31.)
But what is the actual impedance of the microphone
you're plugging in? And what kind of circuit was that
microphone designed to "see" for optimum
performance? Particularly in the case of vintage
condenser and ribbon microphones, the original
design usually were set up for impedance m atching ,
not bridging. When these microphones are plugged
into the MIC IN jacks of today's solid-state mic
preamps or consoles, they're seeing a very different
load than they were designed for. When they're
plugged into the input of the Vipre and the impedance
is set to lower values, they exhibit the more open
sound heard on classic recordings. Yet, other
microphones may need to see a higher, bridging load
for best performance. In any case, altering the load
against which the microphone has to push
fundamentally alters the tone and character of the
output signal. The Vipre gives you the best of both
worlds. A key to this flexibility is the input transformer,
which is the first component the microphone "sees"
when the INPUT SELECT switch is in the XFMR
positions.

So basicly something like that in a stand alone :twisted:
 
Here we go:

As I suggested, I don't think resistors are a good idea.

Still, if you really wanted, you could get a multitap transformer.

Why do you want one anyway? Is it for ribbon mics?

Why not make a nice pre using a multi-tap transformer for picky mics?
 
[quote author="pucho812"]The Viper features an exclusive input transformer
custom-made in California to the highest industry
standards.[/quote]

CM-9955-T?

Peace,
Al.
 
I have a ViPer andf although the trafo is made by cinemag, it's not that one at least I think not that one but I am most likely incorrect. but the same idea. :wink:
 
[quote author="rodabod"]As I suggested, I don't think resistors are a good idea.
...
Why not make a nice pre using a multi-tap transformer for picky mics?[/quote]
Use resistors in paralel negative feedback.

Multi-tap transformers are noise - optimal only if you use
all the copper. maybe two winding primary, you get 50 and 200 ohms (paralel and series).

xvlk
 
Use resistors in paralel negative feedback.

was my first thought. The problem that came up was in the viper it is used as the mic input trafo so to do it in an external box would mean having to bypass the input trafo of the mic pre you are attaching it to. it's still on the drawing board and will have a proto type soon. My buddy wants to fund the project but once he finds out the cost of the trafo I think it will curb his desire. I for one like the idea because it then becomes a tone control of sorts between mic and pre-amp.
 
Variable impedance input is a fairly new concept. Only been around since about 1920. Back then they used something called a transformer. What a bunch of weirdos! :razz:
 
These UTC's I pull apart are pretty amazing. On one I was too lazy to fetch the dikes so I just started yanking at the coil/core assembly to get it out of the can. It was still connected to the can via the core and shield grounds. I couldn't break it! Kept tugging as hard as I could. Then I tried putting as much slack in the leads as I could and kind of trying to snap it apart. Still no luck!
Finally had to grab the cutters.

So the UTC lead breakouts are pretty tough is what I am trying to say I guess. They took a lot of pride in the dependability aspect. But they do get old. Sometimes the solder can get pretty funky on the terminal plates. Thats why if you buy an old UTC on evilbay, it's a good idea to suck out all the old solder from the terminals and fill it up with fresh. The leads are twisted around the outside sometimes, so don't remove them thinking it's someone's hookup wire!
 

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