Discrete opamps in place of NE5534

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netcastle

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I saw on the JLM website that the JLM99v can take an NE5534A. Am I reading this right, or does this just have to do with the pin configuration? The reason why I am asking is because my Presonus Eureka used NE5534A's (until i replaced them with the opa627s that I got as samples from TI), and while I would very much love to put together a JLM99v (I am already steeped in a G9 project), I was wondering if I could put some 990's into my Eureka? Am I crazy or would this work?

Tim
 
If you have a look at the pictures on the web site the 99v boards can take both 5534's & discrete amps... but the way this is achieved is by having 2 different sets of pins: 1 set for a regular opamp ie 5534 / opa2604 etc and the other set for discrete amps that match the 2520 footprint - these are significantly larger than the average 5534. So the quick answer to your question is no these amps have very different footprints. However If there is a bucket of room on the Eureka board around the 5534 maybe you could pull the 5534 and make an adaptor board and investigate what kind of changes to the compensation circuitry around the opamp would be needed for a 990 etc. But its probably packed in fairly tight I would imagine.

Justin.
 
Tim,

While it would "work", it is not a "drop in". The footprint on the JLM opamp (like the Forssell 992/993, Hardy 990, etc) is much larger than a DIP package! If you notice in the photos at Joe's site, the footprint for the 5534 is under that for the JLM99.

I gotta get me some of that JLM goodness in my studio soon. My B'Day is in May!!

HTH!
Charlie

>>>Sorry, I posted before I saw Justins response!!
 
[quote author="netcastle"] The reason why I am asking is because my Presonus Eureka used NE5534A's (until i replaced them with the opa627s that I got as samples from TI)[/quote]

Did you notice a big difference? I have a Presonus MP20, and I was thinking about trying to switch out some of the op amps.
Do you have any before/after clips of this?
 
I've noted that the footprint is significantly larger and upon closer inspection a "drop in" replacement would not be possible. But, a replacement is not inconceivable (there is actually quite a bit of room under the hood of that thing). But, I'm a hobbyist and very new to electronics, so forgive me if I don't understand the parameters required to drive different opamps. What electronic compensation would I need for this replacement, or is there not enogh information available to determine this?

Tim
 
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You can look at the spec sheet for the ne5534.
There should be application notes, which give suggestions as to how this IC can best be utilized.
Then look at the compensation requirements (and in and output impedance requirements) of whatever discrete you'd like to try.
If you're thinking 99V, Joe at JLM is a great guy, very helpful.

Then look at your Presonus whatever and see if you can tell what parts of that circuit resemble one of the 5534 app notes.
People have said here that Presonus is very helpful about this stuff as well.

If you had to change other parts to drop in the opa627, those are probably a good place to start investigation. If you didn't, opa627 probably has its own app notes, like ne5534. You might want to compare the two. It has been mentioned here that ne5534 is not as 'picky' about it's requirements in a given circuit as some other opamps. Others may exhibit strange/unpleasing behavior when fitted within the same circuit.

You might be able to wire a discrete to the ne5534 dip spot, and use a board or mount to hold the discrete off the Presonus board.

From a fellow rookie, i'd say it will take some thought and plenty of research to get the best results from this.
 
the 5532 runs usually at 15v + - but the discretes need around 24 +- so
supply voltage is an issue.

Also I have done the mp 20 swap with opa607 and was not overly impressed
 
Mike_Relay, I don't have any before and after samples because I had the 627 availabale when I started using the pre so I just swapped them out. It sounds good but I think that I am still to much of an amature to know the difference (which may leave some scratching their heads as to why I would want to put the 990's in there-its because I mod just about everything I can). It was really just more a thought than anything, an because Hardy's shop is nearby I saw the potential. I can say that it is quiet. Very quiet. After I finish my G9 I will look into this further. I may just take the whole thing apart (again) and try to map it out. Maybe then some of the gurus around here will jump in.

Tim
 
[quote author="josan"]the 5532 runs usually at 15v + - but the discretes need around 24 +- so supply voltage is an issue. [/quote]

Doesn't John Hardy make a +/-15v 990?
 
Doesn't John Hardy make a +/-15v 990?
The 990C will operate with power supplies that range anywhere from +/-12VDC to +/-24VDC. The original 990 and the 990A are built to operate at specific supply voltages. The most common versions are the 990-15V and 990A-15V, and the 990-24V and 990A-24V (for +/-15VDC and +/-24VDC respectively).

Note that the 990C is the only version that is in regular production here. I can always provide the earlier versions, but the 990C is only two or three dollars more expensive, has lower DC offset, the ability to operate over a wide range of supply voltages because of the additon of a constant current source at a key part of the circuit, and it may even sound a little better.

You can always look at my 990 data package at:

http://www.johnhardyco.com/pdf/990.pdf

Thank you.

John Hardy
The John Hardy Co.
www.johnhardyco.com
 
Hey John,
what a pleasure having you here....
I'll probably be getting a hold of you pretty soon for some 990.

It was nice meeting at the AES Show..

Gil
 

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