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jrmintz

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Hi all,

I just noticed my workshop fire extinguisher has fizzled itself away, or however they go bad. I wanted to remind everyone to check your fire extinguishers, and to ask if anyone has the Halon replacement type - I think they're called Halotron. Where's a good source for them in the US?

Thanks
 
Thanks PRR. I don't know much about fire extinguishers - I'll look for CO2.
 
> I don't know much about fire extinguishers - I'll look for CO2.

For a long time, the basic extinguisher was water. I remember when they had hand-pumps, or acid and base in separate cups that mixed when turned upside down and forced the water out; now most seem to be pressurized.

Water is bad on electrical fires, and also for grease fires (it pushes the grease around and spreads the fire). The common alternative (and what we have at school) is "Dry Chemical", which is pretty much baking soda under pressure (really ammonium phosphate). Won't carry electricity and hardly spreads grease. But it makes a white powder mess, and if somehow that powder gets wet before the panic is over it will corrode things like electrical gear.

The long-time standard for many types of fires is Carbon Dioxide, C02. It works pretty good, won't conduct, gives little grease-spread. There is one in every commercial kitchen, often a permanent plumbed system above the fryer and grille. The CO2 is cheap but it has to be held at very high pressure. The tank is heavy and expensive, the valve has to be checked regularly and the tank re-filled. And CO2 is much less effective on wood or paper than water or dry-chemical extingushers.

If you release a large amount of CO2 in a small space and stay there, you will suffocate. But if you meet a fire which needs that much CO2, it is probably beyond safe handling. You should save your life and leave, not die trying to save property.

Plain old sand can be an effective extinguisher if it will stay on the fire. It would take too much sand to smother a couch-fire, but 10 pounds of sand might smother a transformer with relatively little mess. And sand is sometimes the only way to put out burning metals.

Halon will put out many fires at low concentration, not enough to make people sick. It had a short fad for property owners who had expensive machines and wanted the workers to hang around during the fire. Was THE standard in computer rooms. Then they realized it ate the Ozone layer. Production stopped. Many Halon systems are being decommissioned, so if you have an existing Halon system you can still get Halon that has been salvaged. Halon still makes sense in a few places: fire in a military tank in war, would you rather burn inside or go outside and be shot by the enemy? Or in the Space Shuttle.

One basic problem with Halon: the stuff is so expensive that you don't use much. Sometimes a fire will go out in a whiff of Halon, and then re-ignite, and burn the place down. So Halon normally needs a back-up. And if the back-up is any good, why have Halon?

Some of the least-poisonous of the Halon alternatives make HydroFloric Acid in a fire. This is actually seen as "good" because it encourages people to leave before worse things happen to them. But that can't be good for your gear. (Anyway you probably can't get FE-13 in a home-size bottle.)

http://www.ehs.ualberta.ca/FireSafety/index.aspx?Page=35 --READ!
http://www.h3r.com/halon/
http://www.epa.gov/Ozone/snap/fire/lists/stream.html
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/waac/wn/wn15/wn15-2/wn15-209.html
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/waac/wn/wn15/wn15-2/wn15-208.html
http://www.halon.org/
 
Thanks PRR.

I'm going to go to a supplier today and see what they have. I appreciate your help.

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http://www.softonex.com/uk/www/page.php?cat=7&PHPSESSID=0669d886290d79ebc0a521a9a7599517

CO2 is very fine and good for electric stuff but size/power factor is not that good, so don´t choose the smallest bottle. If the fire starts and you can not put it down there will be more damage than you believe, very quickly. Small bottles are not very good for anything.

I posted that water based fire extinquisher example as another alternative for powder based extinquishers, which can do lot of damage. I believe several manufacturers make similar or about similar type water extinguishers (this kind of extinquisher is not foam extinquisher but little different). You can see better what you do with water based stuff, and it is easier to use for "novices", if you have powder it has huge pressure and it spreads everywhere, of course powder is cheap, efficient and reliable.

SOme company in Finland just published their new invention. It is quite cheap gadget that has a smoke detector and puts electric power down for whole house or wanted equipment. Works quite well for old dangerous TV sets and refrigerators that sometimes catch fire
 
That reminds me, when we were in grade scchool, we turned one of those big chrome soda fountian jobs upside down to see what is was like. The darn thing wouldn't shut off! Once you start them, they drain all the way. We thought it would turn off so we had to bail. :oops:
 
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