G-m-L "Doa" pcb-kit

[r2d2]

hey
somebody in this nice place-family
has never built the G-m-L "Doa" (discrete opamp) kit or pcb ?
peace
(all over)

 

[hobiesound]

what do you mean the sontec with doa's or a gml opamp circuit? i have no idea what you're talking about?


greetings,

Thomas

 

[babyhead]

No

 

[Michael Tibes]

That would be against the board-ethics since the GML doa is still in production, isn't it?

Michael

 

[ubxf]

That would be against the board-ethics since the GML doa is still in production, isn't it?

Michael

Sontec are in production as well

 

[gyraf]

..let's say that sontec production was re-established (after a long period where service on units were a nightmare)..

 

[pucho812]

hey
somebody in this nice place-family
has never built the G-m-L "Doa" (discrete opamp) kit or pcb ?
peace
(all over)

and that would be a correct statement...

 

[babyhead]

George DIYed it. He's been known to lurk...I'm sure he even made a kit, but only for HIS elves.

 

[Kingston]

..let's say that sontec production was re-established (after a long period where service on units were a nightmare)..

really? where?

 

[babyhead]

I was told that Manley has the goods, but that has not been verified.

 

[r2d2]

thanks to all for post here,

that i mean about g-m-l doa

is if somebody have "clone" it and shared as diy kit or docs (scheme ,layout,etc...)

peace

 

[mitsos]

Well, you're awfully nice after all the sarcasm thrown at you... congrats. Don't mind it though, some people forget that 95% of the projects here are currently in production.
API (preamp, EQ and comp)
Neve everything
1176
LA2A
Manley pultec
Helios?
GSSL (including no longer patented supersidechain)
and of course, who can forget:
the VK1.... :

Someone reversed the 8202(?) opamp.. I don't know who, but I saw a schematic once years ago, but it is no longer online. In any case, it would be very hard to build even with the schematic. I remember George Massenburg posting here when someone asked about reversing it, that even if one figured out which transistors to use (they cover part of the opamp in gunk at the factory) you'd have to figure out which ones to match and under what conditions to match them.

IMO, pick another opamp to clone, or make yourself some 990s, the gerbers are available on mnat's site and it's one of the best (if not THE best) sounding DIY opamps out there. And Ptown stopped making them, so you'd probably be able to sell the PCBs you don't use to those who still want some... 

 

[okgb]

Sounds like he was issuing a challenge ,
think he has a small man complex being named george ?
never returns my calls  but how well can you record
an average kick drum , ha !

 

[r2d2]

thanks so much for "tips"  , "mitsos" !
i asked about g-m-l doa
after checked some hundred of pages
and seen that almost all cool "devices" have been cloned,
then it seemed strange that no one had cloned "that doa"...
peace
(all over)

Well, you're awfully nice after all the sarcasm thrown at you... congrats. Don't mind it though, some people forget that 95% of the projects here are currently in production.
API (preamp, EQ and comp)
Neve everything
1176
LA2A
Manley pultec
Helios?
GSSL (including no longer patented supersidechain)
and of course, who can forget:
the VK1.... :

Someone reversed the 8202(?) opamp.. I don't know who, but I saw a schematic once years ago, but it is no longer online. In any case, it would be very hard to build even with the schematic. I remember George Massenburg posting here when someone asked about reversing it, that even if one figured out which transistors to use (they cover part of the opamp in gunk at the factory) you'd have to figure out which ones to match and under what conditions to match them.

IMO, pick another opamp to clone, or make yourself some 990s, the gerbers are available on mnat's site and it's one of the best (if not THE best) sounding DIY opamps out there. And Ptown stopped making them, so you'd probably be able to sell the PCBs you don't use to those who still want some... 

 

[gyraf]

again, the gml was never out of production..

 

[bluesbaz]

The component in question cant be that hard to get if they had to wipe the name off the chip. Seems to me if you know people cant repeat what you have, theres nothing to hide. But, hiding the name implies the part number will get you somewhere....
-s

 

[okgb]

Not that it makes it right or any sense but
the people who would copy it aren't the kind
of people who would ever buy it
He's not exactly going for the mid level market,
are they even trying to sell more ? certainly
don't worry about much marketing , either too cheap
don't believe in it or letting the product sell itself
which is apparently good enough for them .

 

[bluesbaz]

Oh yeah! I totally agree with letting the stuff sell itself... Now that I have this great GML automation system I really want more unsupported crap. New I'm sure the profit margin net was at least 50% on this garbage. After the hell its taken to find out I cant get the automation working I'm ready for a little retribution....

 

[mitsos]

bluebaz, I think you need a timeout  ;D

the people who would copy it aren't the kind
of people who would ever buy it

You are right, but what scares mfgs is that those people just might be the kind who would sell it....

again, the gml was never out of production..

Was any API? Neve? I also remember reading that the VK1 was reversed on some secret forum? no one ever confirmed or denied that....
and again, the supersidechain was patented!

what about the (G)SSL? 

From your website:

"My reason for doing this clone is that the SSL is one of the worlds widely recognized stereo mix compressors - it has a well known sound, and is lusted after by many recording engenieers. But the SSL4000 desk is prized as to be out of reach for most small studio owners."

Takane no hana?

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/history/canon_story/1933_1936/1933_1936.html

Sorry to pick you out, Jacob, but I wish to point out that there is "honor" in copying. Your "cloning" (ssl, pultec, 1176 etc) work has helped thousands learn about electronics. You may realize that the reason you cloned the SSL is the same reason other people copy other products, except some of them (for example, Chinese manufacturers) are smarter than you and me, in the sense that, while we do it to save money, they do it to MAKE money. Both make sense economically, but who do you think will continue doing this going forward?  Us or them? The rules have certainly changed, it might help if westerners started getting MBAs at Peking business school instead of harvard.

 

[pucho812]

yes but the gssl and the actual ssl 4000 buss console compressor  are 2 different beast well not exactly but then again they are not identical either. Neither is any of the gyraf diy projects.


just my 2 cents

does 8202 use the same opamp as the 8200?