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nacho459
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I love Fletcher. He is one of those guys who talks a lot of trash, but can always back it up. I always like when a manufacturer builds something you need and can really use, not just something you think you want. Audio products should sell themselves. You should be able to hear them work with them, and then decide to purchase them.
I have come to the conclusion that I have enough gear. So before I make a purchase I look at the product and try to figure out what it is replacing, and where it will fit into my studio, and how is it going to dramatically improve my recordings. Sure I would love to have a U47, but between my Groove Tubes 1bFET, Rude MultiFET, Royer MXLs, and NT1, I have enough LDC mics. They all have their own places where they fit into different niches. Except for the NT1 which I'm selling. I caught myself the other day seriously considering buying one of those BLUE 452 LCD capsules when I realized. Why do I need to have one more mic in my locker? Just to have another mic? Maybe I'll try building a LDC down the road sometime, but for now I don't need another "almost like" mic. Now if someone wants to sell me a U47 for $500 that's a different story.
I have come to the conclusion that I have enough gear. So before I make a purchase I look at the product and try to figure out what it is replacing, and where it will fit into my studio, and how is it going to dramatically improve my recordings. Sure I would love to have a U47, but between my Groove Tubes 1bFET, Rude MultiFET, Royer MXLs, and NT1, I have enough LDC mics. They all have their own places where they fit into different niches. Except for the NT1 which I'm selling. I caught myself the other day seriously considering buying one of those BLUE 452 LCD capsules when I realized. Why do I need to have one more mic in my locker? Just to have another mic? Maybe I'll try building a LDC down the road sometime, but for now I don't need another "almost like" mic. Now if someone wants to sell me a U47 for $500 that's a different story.
pucho812
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Fletcher is one of the most outspoken SOB's I have ever met in our fine audio business. :green: But usually he is correct in his statements. I like guys who talk **** and can back it up. I remember him being the first on the block with a 2inch 8 track.The Mercenary edition equipment sounds good and is built well. He knows his stuff. Looking at the new Earthworks drum mic pack and I wonder if he had anything to do with that since I have known him to rave about 3 mic drum micing. I remember him almost gettting kicked off the AES exibit floor in 96 or 97(dan beeer has be forgetting what?) because Mercenary Audio speared(like shaka zulu style) a mackie and an adat, called it **** on a stick, and proudly displayed his trophey beast in front of the mercenary booth for all to see. The Alesis people complaigned. He had to either remove it or mercenary would be kicked off the exibit floor. It's was pretty funny.
Mbira
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That thread reminds me of the old place...I'm glad we're here!
Joel
Joel
Kev
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I think that's a little unfair as generally Tech Talk was a very well behaved and polite place.
There have been some ruffled feathers here too and that is to be expected as any community gets larger. It is the way problems are sorted out, that will ultimately be the way a place is judged.
Marik
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I wish I saw that thread earlier. In addition to Fletcher, I'd have some more things to elaborate about Mr. Peluso and who he really is.
Mbira
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To clarify-I didn't so much mean the Tech Talk forum. It was only when I would visit the other forums at the old place that I realized what a good bunch of folks there are here and at Tech Talk.
Joel
Joel
nacho459
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[quote author="jrmintz"]I like the civil tone of this place an awful lot better, regardless of what's being said.[/quote]
I think that's cause people hear understand that they need each other, not in a socialist way but in the true meaning of community. Leaders naturally take charge, and no one (so far) is trying to prophet off another. I mean how can you throw the vibe of "I'm so cool" when you're too broke to buy the gear you build.
I think that's cause people hear understand that they need each other, not in a socialist way but in the true meaning of community. Leaders naturally take charge, and no one (so far) is trying to prophet off another. I mean how can you throw the vibe of "I'm so cool" when you're too broke to buy the gear you build.
Kev
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[quote author="Mbira"]To clarify-I didn't so much mean the Tech Talk forum. [/quote]
I did figure that was probably the case Joel.
Yes the wider RO did have it's moments and many of the PSW and Slutz crew are old RO movers and shakers.
I can be a little precious of the old TT.
[quote author="nacho459"]...and no one (so far) is trying to prophet off another. [/quote]
:grin:
I like that
or was that a spelling mistake ?
[quote author="nacho459"]...I mean how can you throw the vibe of "I'm so cool" when you're too broke to buy the gear you build. [/quote]
or buy the gear you fix for others
sometimes I'm tempted to hang on to some bits and say I need more time....
then use them on a personal project.
I did figure that was probably the case Joel.
Yes the wider RO did have it's moments and many of the PSW and Slutz crew are old RO movers and shakers.
I can be a little precious of the old TT.
[quote author="nacho459"]...and no one (so far) is trying to prophet off another. [/quote]
:grin:
I like that
or was that a spelling mistake ?
[quote author="nacho459"]...I mean how can you throw the vibe of "I'm so cool" when you're too broke to buy the gear you build. [/quote]
or buy the gear you fix for others
sometimes I'm tempted to hang on to some bits and say I need more time....
then use them on a personal project.
One thing that I would like to add.
If you have ever heard a good ck12 or close clone of a ck12 capsule there is no way a neumann style capsule can give you that sound, you might eq it but its not the same energy storage.
different physics
If you have heard a real M7 no way a k67/87 clone capsule can be the same they work on different Physics and sound different
Don't ask I won't say anymore no more free work.
On another forum the vf14 ef14 uf14 stuff was addressed. Someone posted about the insides being more different than just the heater the oxide and catode metal is different as well. I believe the info came from telefunken prints of the tubes insides.
I must state the ef14 vf14 part I don't know about first hand. The capsules I do. I have tried different grills and electronics with capsules. IMO most of the magic is the capsule followed by the grill.
Electronics is the easier part one can make good or bad solid state and tube circuits. The tube circuits are the ones that seem to have the most sonic adjustment from compressed to super clean.
You want a neumann with a M7 PVC M9 PET buy a gefell.
If you have ever heard a good ck12 or close clone of a ck12 capsule there is no way a neumann style capsule can give you that sound, you might eq it but its not the same energy storage.
different physics
If you have heard a real M7 no way a k67/87 clone capsule can be the same they work on different Physics and sound different
Don't ask I won't say anymore no more free work.
On another forum the vf14 ef14 uf14 stuff was addressed. Someone posted about the insides being more different than just the heater the oxide and catode metal is different as well. I believe the info came from telefunken prints of the tubes insides.
I must state the ef14 vf14 part I don't know about first hand. The capsules I do. I have tried different grills and electronics with capsules. IMO most of the magic is the capsule followed by the grill.
Electronics is the easier part one can make good or bad solid state and tube circuits. The tube circuits are the ones that seem to have the most sonic adjustment from compressed to super clean.
You want a neumann with a M7 PVC M9 PET buy a gefell.
Hmmm... reading that thread, as well as other threads at that other place, I'm reminded of two things right away:
1. There's a good amount of ignorant morons spreading misinformation out there (I'm talking about "this piece of gear doesn't have a transformer, so it doesn't color the sound", or "transistors suck"-type comments); and
2. How NONE of them seem to come to The Lab (and if they do, they probably don't say a word here because people here can - and will - set them straight. :wink
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It's also cool how of all the vitriolic rhetoric, ad hominem attacks and childish pissing contests that seem to litter the internet everywhere, none of it happens here. Going there makes me appreciate this place even more.
Mucho love, guys! :thumb:
Peace,
Al.
1. There's a good amount of ignorant morons spreading misinformation out there (I'm talking about "this piece of gear doesn't have a transformer, so it doesn't color the sound", or "transistors suck"-type comments); and
2. How NONE of them seem to come to The Lab (and if they do, they probably don't say a word here because people here can - and will - set them straight. :wink
.It's also cool how of all the vitriolic rhetoric, ad hominem attacks and childish pissing contests that seem to litter the internet everywhere, none of it happens here. Going there makes me appreciate this place even more.
Mucho love, guys! :thumb:
Peace,
Al.
AMZ-FX
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I thought you were going to link to your recent thread at the stompbox forum... :green: :green: :green:
:grin: -Jack
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[quote author="yan_b"]is there a quiq guide to this soap opera?[/quote]
somebody asked how the peluso mics where like
somebody else put up an wav file of a cover version of a published song
we then got 5 pages of legal stuff about copyright
then we got people arguing about whether or not they invited other people to dinner or something
then we got a lesson in grammatical etiquette - which was nice
then the moderator finished it
somebody asked how the peluso mics where like
somebody else put up an wav file of a cover version of a published song
we then got 5 pages of legal stuff about copyright
then we got people arguing about whether or not they invited other people to dinner or something
then we got a lesson in grammatical etiquette - which was nice
then the moderator finished it
:shock:
Damn,
I'm truely happy that we don't need to behave like that over here...!
Jakob E.
Damn,
I'm truely happy that we don't need to behave like that over here...!
Jakob E.
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That **** is really funny when it's somewhere else, which thankfully is the case with this place. My favorite bit is where the guy with Tele USA complains about other people using hard to find tubes in non original mics. I hope we manage to keep this place as the bastion of civil discussion(more or less :twisted it is.
Zach
it is. Zach
The funny thing is, those guys all complained when he wasnt using original tubes and railed him for calling it a U47 clone. Now that he took their advice, look what they say. retarded. I couldnt keep my mouth shut after reading what was going on there...
dave
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Yeah, saw you jumping into the fray over there. Better look out, or there might be a rumble at the next AES- Labs and Slutz, fighting it out on the roof of the Javits center. The floor littered with broken tubes and dead xfrmrs...Ethan and Fletcher lashed together at the wrist(think 'Beat It'), in a desperate battle for message board supremacy...
:green:
Seriously though, you're right-arguments like that are just ridiculous.
Zach
