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Biasrocks
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I'd really like to know who the hell deleted all that info.
Is there any way to trace the IP's who accessed that account?
Mark
Is there any way to trace the IP's who accessed that account?
Mark
Very weird, but maybe Ruckus is right, it's hard to believe it's a simple user's action to do so?
I dunno if it could be possible to track IP etc..; unless you're Google, and that means providing a service of getting into people's private stuff, and not doable then?, well it's just a guess....
I dunno if it could be possible to track IP etc..; unless you're Google, and that means providing a service of getting into people's private stuff, and not doable then?, well it's just a guess....
mitsos
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While I guess there may be some company out there who got pissed about their schematics being made public, but there is only person I could see doing this is, but I like to look at this from a non-negative view and think it was a simple mistake.
IMAP keeps your emails updated from wherever you access them, so you can use your computer, iphone, and/or browser and it automatically updates them so that you see the same emails no matter what interface. If you delete an email online that is also in your outlook, my understanding is that it will delete that email from your hard drive the next time you access email using outlook. So, a possible scenario is someone using IMAP didn't want all those emails on their hard drive anymore and deleted them, but did not deactivate the mailbox so the next time they went online and the program "updated" the gmail account to match the computer, it deleted all the emails.
In all reality if a manufacturer is spending that much time trying to keep their schematics off our servers, then they are not spending enough time developing their products.
by the way, gmail tracks the last few IPs at the bottom of the page, I don't know if there is access to a list that goes back longer, but it's pointless really. What are we going to do, send them a virus?
It is definitely possible to delete email using POP3 (and also IMAP, though I'm not 100% on that cuz I don't use it anymore). In fact it's set up for it. When you set up a POP3 email client (outlook, mail, etc) there is an option to "keep copies on server"or something like that. If you keep copies, it doesn't delete. If you don't keep copies, then the only copy is on the local hard drive. POOF, gmail is empty.gyraf said:
IMAP keeps your emails updated from wherever you access them, so you can use your computer, iphone, and/or browser and it automatically updates them so that you see the same emails no matter what interface. If you delete an email online that is also in your outlook, my understanding is that it will delete that email from your hard drive the next time you access email using outlook. So, a possible scenario is someone using IMAP didn't want all those emails on their hard drive anymore and deleted them, but did not deactivate the mailbox so the next time they went online and the program "updated" the gmail account to match the computer, it deleted all the emails.
In all reality if a manufacturer is spending that much time trying to keep their schematics off our servers, then they are not spending enough time developing their products.
by the way, gmail tracks the last few IPs at the bottom of the page, I don't know if there is access to a list that goes back longer, but it's pointless really. What are we going to do, send them a virus?
ruckus328
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mitsos said:
Well, now that you mention it......
;D
0dbfs
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I think a multi-tiered approach is good in terms of long-term storage and consolidation of example circuit schematic documentation, board-layouts, "ebooks", and other similar important shared information.
The primary risk associated with the gmail account solution has now been brought into the light of day: Inadvertent-or-intentional loss of the example/instructional archive data.
The benefits of the gmail account were that it was very easy for anyone to submit artifacts for inclusion into the archive simply be sending an email to the shared account and it required very little maintenance. Plus it was free.
These days it seems there are other "cloud-services" which can provide more-better-and-easier capability.
The primary problem persists however with most "simple" solutions. Data loss is a significant risk.
Moderation provides some oversight, responsibility, and accountability for securing the example-data and archives as well as keeping abreast of the technological issues and needs of the group. "Multiple moderators" provides some level of moderator-redundancy as well as perhaps multiple paths of data-retention-backup....
More later... Gotta run.
-JoBu
EDIT: So, anyway... With X number of volunteer/appointed moderators charged with preserving the group archived example-data, these people could perhaps manually sync up their own (password-protected) free-repository-of-choice (dropbox, ftp, gmail, etc) with whatever the current GDIY-PUBLIC repository is... Someone drops off the radar, loses interest in DIY (and forgets to tell us), whatever... We have a small handful of archivists ready to restore in case of lost data... And the operation remains open to free will, unorganized (for the most part), and hopefully self-policing.
The primary risk associated with the gmail account solution has now been brought into the light of day: Inadvertent-or-intentional loss of the example/instructional archive data.
The benefits of the gmail account were that it was very easy for anyone to submit artifacts for inclusion into the archive simply be sending an email to the shared account and it required very little maintenance. Plus it was free.
These days it seems there are other "cloud-services" which can provide more-better-and-easier capability.
The primary problem persists however with most "simple" solutions. Data loss is a significant risk.
Moderation provides some oversight, responsibility, and accountability for securing the example-data and archives as well as keeping abreast of the technological issues and needs of the group. "Multiple moderators" provides some level of moderator-redundancy as well as perhaps multiple paths of data-retention-backup....
More later... Gotta run.
-JoBu
EDIT: So, anyway... With X number of volunteer/appointed moderators charged with preserving the group archived example-data, these people could perhaps manually sync up their own (password-protected) free-repository-of-choice (dropbox, ftp, gmail, etc) with whatever the current GDIY-PUBLIC repository is... Someone drops off the radar, loses interest in DIY (and forgets to tell us), whatever... We have a small handful of archivists ready to restore in case of lost data... And the operation remains open to free will, unorganized (for the most part), and hopefully self-policing.
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dustbro
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My FTP has been available to everyone for free. I'm sure most of the gmail account stuff is up there.
Permissions are set so you can upload, but not delete.
I'll post the info back in the gmail account for everyone
Permissions are set so you can upload, but not delete.
I'll post the info back in the gmail account for everyone
pucho812
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dustbro said:
dude that is awesome... I'll upload some goodies.
dustbro
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the schematics library is quite extensive, and uploads are always welcome!
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It is definitely possible to delete email using POP3 (and also IMAP, though I'm not 100% on that cuz I don't use it anymore). In fact it's set up for it. When you set up a POP3 email client (outlook, mail, etc) there is an option to "keep copies on server"or something like that. If you keep copies, it doesn't delete. If you don't keep copies, then the only copy is on the local hard drive. POOF, gmail is empty.
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I'm pretty sure that this is what happened & still happens. Maybe it's a good idea to add an explanation in the META, telling people not to use POP3 servers with this account.
I second the idea of private servers, but is it a long-term archival solution?
It is definitely possible to delete email using POP3 (and also IMAP, though I'm not 100% on that cuz I don't use it anymore). In fact it's set up for it. When you set up a POP3 email client (outlook, mail, etc) there is an option to "keep copies on server"or something like that. If you keep copies, it doesn't delete. If you don't keep copies, then the only copy is on the local hard drive. POOF, gmail is empty.
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I'm pretty sure that this is what happened & still happens. Maybe it's a good idea to add an explanation in the META, telling people not to use POP3 servers with this account.
I second the idea of private servers, but is it a long-term archival solution?
Meathands
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What about a multi-user database with automatic backups and strict permissions for who can delete, submit, and approve documents? Something like this wouldn't be too hard to set up with almost any CMS and could be made secure with password protection and the aformentioned backups. Users could still submit via email (or http interface) and view the database, but only mods could delete or approve submissions.
I'd be happy to try this out on my hosting (perhaps with backups hosted elsewhere?) if there is interest.
I'd be happy to try this out on my hosting (perhaps with backups hosted elsewhere?) if there is interest.
So are we any steps closer in getting the lost material back?
...D
...D
gemini86
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looks like somebody has been working on it...
Rybow
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Looks like someone deleted your email about your FTP dustbro. I was just about to check it out!
I'm currently working on a permissions-based method of organizing all these documents.
Basically, access will be restricted to logged in forum members so that some anonymous person can't come along and just delete everything.
The biggest benefit will be that it will be backed up daily as part of the scheduled server backups.
Stay tuned... ;D
Basically, access will be restricted to logged in forum members so that some anonymous person can't come along and just delete everything.
The biggest benefit will be that it will be backed up daily as part of the scheduled server backups.
Stay tuned... ;D
Neil
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Ethan said:
Can you set it so that forum members can't delete documents, only moderators can? And that's great that it'll be automatically backed up!
Neil
