Some pics to study - HS2000

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chrissugar

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Some days ago Brad B posted at the mastering forum at PSW a couple of pics of the Sontec HS2000 opamps, so I saved them in case they will dissapear one day. Good info to go closer to the original opamps.

HS2000_front.jpg


HS2000_back.jpg


chrissugar
 
Wow, thanks. Great pics. Looks like somebody could almost produce a schematic from this (minus the missing transistor ID's). Speaking of transistors, it has a lot more than I thought it would have. I wonder why he color coded these with nail polish; was it some attempt at matching the parts? It's so close, I can touch it...
 
[quote author="drpat"]Looks like somebody could almost produce a schematic from this (minus the missing transistor ID's).[/quote]

This is my intention but not now, I have too many things to do at the moment.
I found some more pics in my archive saved from various places. I upload them too.

chrissugar
 
Here is the first one. There was no description for it but it looks identical to the next couple of pics, except the input transistors.
SONTECOPAMP.jpg


I found the next two pics on e*ay, the seller said in the description that it is a "SONTEC HS2000 with 2N5566 matched dual FET inputs"
SONTECHS2000with2N5566dualFETinp-1.jpg


input dual FET detail
SONTECHS2000with2N5566dualFETinputs.jpg



chrissugar
 
I wonder if the 2N5566 units were a mod to the stock one??? Seems as if the numbers would have been sanded off if it were stock.

Good lookin' out Chris. Can't wait to see the schemo...
 
[quote author="drpat"]I wonder if the 2N5566 units were a mod to the stock one??? Seems as if the numbers would have been sanded off if it were stock.[/quote]

I'm almost sure it was stock because I remember I read an interview with GML where he mentions this part (2N5566).

(later)
While writing this I did some searching and found the GML interview:
"After I moved to Los Angeles in 1975 I redesigned the basic discrete op-amp. For all of the GML and Sontec designs (Burgess and I, among others, own the company jointly, though you'd never know it) I designed two significant revisions. The first had truly stupendous HF response; it featured a 2N5566 dual J-FET running at an ungodly high current, and a highly-linear second stage which featured the dominant pole. It was ridiculously fast (150mHz gain-bandwidth, 600v/us slew rate) and stable (no instability over a 60dB gain-variation range) as it was unreliable (from smoking to out-and-out explosions). We've long since gone to a fast, very-high-gain NPN input stage, keeping the high-voltage gain 2nd stage for GML designs, although the design evolves as semiconductor manufacturers obsolete discrete parts."


chrissugar
 
[quote author="drpat"] I wonder why he color coded these with nail polish ....[/quote]

I'd guess to make assembly easy .....

Edit: And now I'll say something obvious ....
 
[quote author="drpat"]Wow, thanks. Great pics. Looks like somebody could almost produce a schematic from this (minus the missing transistor ID's). [/quote]

Yeah, easy. If I had the time Id do it myself. you could probably figure out what kinds of transistors to use based on the circuit. or close enough anyway, as IMO the "sound" usually has more to do with the topology than anything else. someone trace it, please. lets see it! Ive got too much real work to do this week.
 
[quote author="Samuel Groner"]Chris, any progress on the RE?[/quote]

I would really like to do it but too much work to do. Also the new projects are on my list of priorities.
Hope in the not so distant future.

chrissugar
 
AHA! I knew that interview would turn up!

I mentioned this before, the slew rate was 600v/us and I was asked for the reference but I could never find it, that was it folks! thanks Chris!

I also remember him mentioning it to be CFB as well. anyone notice that the original I/O didn't have any type of compensation caps around the gain elements?

Also, the color coding is there because they DID scratch the part numbers off of the parts and this was their way of keeping track of what parts went in what holes..

we really do need to reverse this thing.
 
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