who here uses Hakko brand irons?
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CJ
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Cool station. I thought Hako was going under but I guess not. Used to use their stuff but tips were hard to get. Not as many catalogs had their stuff.
These Wellers are starting to piss me off. The Wes 50/51 's are going down on a regular basis here at work. I think they have a logic chip that makes the thing go south after x hours. But you can send them to NC and they fix them for a flat rate, 27 bucks or something.
How about all this european lead free crap! The tips are even going lead free! Everthing we ship to Europe has to be lead free by 2006 so stock up on NOS leaded tips and solder. I do not think the lead free tips last as long.
We can't even use popcorn in our European shipments because they emit some type of gas or some weird trip.
These Wellers are starting to piss me off. The Wes 50/51 's are going down on a regular basis here at work. I think they have a logic chip that makes the thing go south after x hours. But you can send them to NC and they fix them for a flat rate, 27 bucks or something.
How about all this european lead free crap! The tips are even going lead free! Everthing we ship to Europe has to be lead free by 2006 so stock up on NOS leaded tips and solder. I do not think the lead free tips last as long.
We can't even use popcorn in our European shipments because they emit some type of gas or some weird trip.
"Metcal successfully defends patent position against American Hakko Products
Michael Gouldsmith, president of OK International Inc., reported that U.S. District Court Judge Robert M. Takasugi dismissed a lawsuit filed by American Hakko Products, Inc., against OK International's soldering instruments division, Metcal, Inc.
In a suit filed last October, American Hakko sought a declaratory judgment in support of the recent introduction of the FM 202 soldering system, in the hope that the court would forestall a potential claim by OK International and its Metcal division that the FM 202 product infringes U.S. Patent No. 4,839,501.
Metcal moved the court to dismiss the action for lack of jurisdiction. Judge Takasugi granted Metcal's motion, dismissing the case.
Mr. Gouldsmith stated that a great deal of American Hakko's statements, in its complaint to the court, appeared to be based on hearsay and speculation, and that it was not in OK International's interest to get involved in this kind of conduct.
Asked whether OK International would pursue litigation against people it thought were violating its intellectual property rights, Mr. Gouldsmith answered, "yes.""
Michael Gouldsmith, president of OK International Inc., reported that U.S. District Court Judge Robert M. Takasugi dismissed a lawsuit filed by American Hakko Products, Inc., against OK International's soldering instruments division, Metcal, Inc.
In a suit filed last October, American Hakko sought a declaratory judgment in support of the recent introduction of the FM 202 soldering system, in the hope that the court would forestall a potential claim by OK International and its Metcal division that the FM 202 product infringes U.S. Patent No. 4,839,501.
Metcal moved the court to dismiss the action for lack of jurisdiction. Judge Takasugi granted Metcal's motion, dismissing the case.
Mr. Gouldsmith stated that a great deal of American Hakko's statements, in its complaint to the court, appeared to be based on hearsay and speculation, and that it was not in OK International's interest to get involved in this kind of conduct.
Asked whether OK International would pursue litigation against people it thought were violating its intellectual property rights, Mr. Gouldsmith answered, "yes.""
We use Hakko almost exclusively at my work. Steve, that iron retails for $600. (you probably knew that) I have not spent much time with the Wellers but I know we have a box of them at work that are dead. I have a Hakko 937 that I really enjoy at home. I can solder pennies together. It has variable temp w/dig readout.
One thing about the Hakko is that the tips are easy to change out. Great in an SMT production environment.
The 202 and 102 have a great feel to them. The 102 and 202 heat-up faster and stay at the regulated temp when soldering heavy gauge. The handles on the 937 are a bit bulky. The Brillo pad instead of a wet sponge is a cool idea but I still prefer the sponge. (please, no jokes)
That's my $ .02
Vetsen
One thing about the Hakko is that the tips are easy to change out. Great in an SMT production environment.
The 202 and 102 have a great feel to them. The 102 and 202 heat-up faster and stay at the regulated temp when soldering heavy gauge. The handles on the 937 are a bit bulky. The Brillo pad instead of a wet sponge is a cool idea but I still prefer the sponge. (please, no jokes)
That's my $ .02
Vetsen
SonsOfThunder
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Scen,
I have to agree on the Fisher-Price comment, though it'll lend a nice happy tone to your lab... :thumb:
dunno bout that card thing for the temp programming. I like the system that Metcal uses where its preset on the tip (500, 600, 700, or 800 degrees F). Choose the right tip # and you can't mess it up...well you can but its a lot harder!
For my personal "DIY" money, I'm buying Used Metcal. I've worked with Weller, Pace, and Metcal...maybe an older Hakko once. If you think changing a heater on a Weller is a pain, don't try it on a Pace. I wouldn't recommend one of those to anyone,
CJ,
I feel your pain there... July 1, 2006 is the deadline. We have several products that use styro on the packaging and I hear that EU customers are griping that we stop! Some of the chip manufacturers are continuing to carry both leaded and "unleaded" comp for a while at least. I hear that TI will be dropping all lead sometime in 2005!
I have a pie graph on the wall outside my office showing the annual worldwide consumption of lead by products...can't remember exactly here but,
Electronic products = ~0.5%
Ammunition = ~4%
Storage batteries = 80%
Here's a quote:
Here's another quote:
Higher melting points of Pb-free solder mean that there will be more energy consumption in making boards, more failures due to overheating comps. and since the wettability of these solders sucks, more rework!! Who's bright idea was this anyway...! Stock up on lead solder now for plenty of trouble-free DIY in the future, I say!
Rant Off...Head Down!
I have to agree on the Fisher-Price comment, though it'll lend a nice happy tone to your lab... :thumb:
dunno bout that card thing for the temp programming. I like the system that Metcal uses where its preset on the tip (500, 600, 700, or 800 degrees F). Choose the right tip # and you can't mess it up...well you can but its a lot harder!
For my personal "DIY" money, I'm buying Used Metcal. I've worked with Weller, Pace, and Metcal...maybe an older Hakko once. If you think changing a heater on a Weller is a pain, don't try it on a Pace. I wouldn't recommend one of those to anyone,
CJ,
I feel your pain there... July 1, 2006 is the deadline. We have several products that use styro on the packaging and I hear that EU customers are griping that we stop! Some of the chip manufacturers are continuing to carry both leaded and "unleaded" comp for a while at least. I hear that TI will be dropping all lead sometime in 2005!
I have a pie graph on the wall outside my office showing the annual worldwide consumption of lead by products...can't remember exactly here but,
Electronic products = ~0.5%
Ammunition = ~4%
Storage batteries = 80%
Here's a quote:
Yeah, right!! Whatever! I still think this is just some stupid crap dreamed up to put money in somebody's pocket.
Here's another quote:
REALLY now! It'll be like the first catalytic convertors that allowed cars to emit Sulphur Trioxide... SO3...just add a water molecule and you get H2SO4 or for those who are chemistry-challenged (like myself really)...Sulphuric Acid!! This is how we got a lot of acid rain, so I was told by a college chem prof!
Higher melting points of Pb-free solder mean that there will be more energy consumption in making boards, more failures due to overheating comps. and since the wettability of these solders sucks, more rework!! Who's bright idea was this anyway...! Stock up on lead solder now for plenty of trouble-free DIY in the future, I say!
Rant Off...Head Down!
CJ
Well-known member
Great info!
I go diving under boat docks on fresh water lakes looking for goodies (I usually come up with about a hundread bucks worth of stuff on each dive) and you would not believe how many jerks throw their dead boat batteries overboard! :twisted:
I go diving under boat docks on fresh water lakes looking for goodies (I usually come up with about a hundread bucks worth of stuff on each dive) and you would not believe how many jerks throw their dead boat batteries overboard! :twisted:
> I can solder pennies together.
Penny-ante stuff. I have an iron that will solder a piano together. (Steinway hammers screw into a rail that is soldered to brass stand-offs. When the rail screw-holes strip out, Steinway sells you a new rail, but you have to solder it into the standoffs of your particular piano.)
> It has variable temp w/dig readout.
This has one temp: HOT!! And you don't need a readout to tell you that.
Lest you think I am just too-too-crude: I was the first in town to get a Princess teeny-iron. But I hate soldering anything that small.
> Sulphuric Acid!! This is how we got a lot of acid rain, so I was told by a college chem prof!
All the sulphur in all the car tailpipes never came close to coal-burning power plants. Sulphur rots parts of fuel systems. In gasoline it is kept low and in Diesel it is held very low. Sulphur is "easily" removed from oils by processes I don't understand (binding to other molecules and then filtering through beds of magic clay). Can't take sulphur out of coal. There is lower-Sulphur coal, which of course costs more in places where Sulphur emissions are criticized. There are smoke-scrubbers, but these are costly and a royal pain to keep working 100% (you may wonder how often that really happens).
Humans have been good at throwing Sulphur into the air constantly, but occasional volcanic eruptions will put more Sulphur in the air than we do all year. We have to take blame for the current high level, and the bands of dead trees all across the NorthEast (upwind of Midwest coal electric plants), but we'll never make the air sulphur-free.
100% battery recycling, yeah. Car owners I can see 99+%, but boats and tractors and motorcycles, it "isn't worth" hauling the dead and HEAVY carcass back to the store for re-melting.
Penny-ante stuff. I have an iron that will solder a piano together. (Steinway hammers screw into a rail that is soldered to brass stand-offs. When the rail screw-holes strip out, Steinway sells you a new rail, but you have to solder it into the standoffs of your particular piano.)
> It has variable temp w/dig readout.
This has one temp: HOT!! And you don't need a readout to tell you that.
Lest you think I am just too-too-crude: I was the first in town to get a Princess teeny-iron. But I hate soldering anything that small.
> Sulphuric Acid!! This is how we got a lot of acid rain, so I was told by a college chem prof!
All the sulphur in all the car tailpipes never came close to coal-burning power plants. Sulphur rots parts of fuel systems. In gasoline it is kept low and in Diesel it is held very low. Sulphur is "easily" removed from oils by processes I don't understand (binding to other molecules and then filtering through beds of magic clay). Can't take sulphur out of coal. There is lower-Sulphur coal, which of course costs more in places where Sulphur emissions are criticized. There are smoke-scrubbers, but these are costly and a royal pain to keep working 100% (you may wonder how often that really happens).
Humans have been good at throwing Sulphur into the air constantly, but occasional volcanic eruptions will put more Sulphur in the air than we do all year. We have to take blame for the current high level, and the bands of dead trees all across the NorthEast (upwind of Midwest coal electric plants), but we'll never make the air sulphur-free.
100% battery recycling, yeah. Car owners I can see 99+%, but boats and tractors and motorcycles, it "isn't worth" hauling the dead and HEAVY carcass back to the store for re-melting.
I have a a hakko desoldering tool which everyone on this board should buy, outside of a drill press, its probably the BEST "optional but essential" tool I own. Its held up well, I usually throw it (I know...) on the floor when Im done and I havent broken it yet.
O'boogie has a hakko iron, I quite like the sound it makes when you put it back into the holder, Im gonna record that someday and use it on a record.
dave
O'boogie has a hakko iron, I quite like the sound it makes when you put it back into the holder, Im gonna record that someday and use it on a record.
dave
[quote author="soundguy"]..I have a a hakko desoldering tool which everyone on this board should buy, outside of a drill press..[/quote]
I second that. Their desoldering iron is a must-have once you've tried it.
But for a regular iron, I still prefer my good old Weller..
Jakob E.
I second that. Their desoldering iron is a must-have once you've tried it.
But for a regular iron, I still prefer my good old Weller..
Jakob E.
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I use a 936 Hakko station. It is only black so I don't get the cheery colors but it works great.
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tubejay
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> Sulphuric Acid!! This is how we got a lot of acid rain, so I was told by a college chem prof!
This is why we need more nuclear plants!!!! Not to mention the deadly runoff from coal mining... The standards for cleaning up nuclear waste from the nuclear power plants are FAR superior to the pollutants from coal and oil mining and use.
Our biggest polluter is still our cows and their polluting turds. KILL THE COWS and eat them too!!! Actually, those new manure power plants that they're putting on farms are frickin' awesome. That would clean up a TON of pollution, and provide power, therefore reducing to a small degree, the need for other power sources. :green: :green:
This is why we need more nuclear plants!!!! Not to mention the deadly runoff from coal mining... The standards for cleaning up nuclear waste from the nuclear power plants are FAR superior to the pollutants from coal and oil mining and use.
Our biggest polluter is still our cows and their polluting turds. KILL THE COWS and eat them too!!! Actually, those new manure power plants that they're putting on farms are frickin' awesome. That would clean up a TON of pollution, and provide power, therefore reducing to a small degree, the need for other power sources. :green: :green:
tmbg
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Who makes irons that take knife tips?
I have a clip of a video with a guy showing how to solder/desolder fine pitch SMDs, like 80TQFP type parts, and he's using what he calls a 'K' tip, that looks like an X-acto blade stuck on the end of a soldering iron, and man does he make it look easy to solder those QFPs with that thing!
I have one of the less expensive weller adjustable stations, the WLC-51 I think it's called. The adjustability is just "1" to "5" I have a 1/32" chiselpoint on it, and it serves all my needs quite well.
I have a clip of a video with a guy showing how to solder/desolder fine pitch SMDs, like 80TQFP type parts, and he's using what he calls a 'K' tip, that looks like an X-acto blade stuck on the end of a soldering iron, and man does he make it look easy to solder those QFPs with that thing!
I have one of the less expensive weller adjustable stations, the WLC-51 I think it's called. The adjustability is just "1" to "5"
I have a 1/32" chiselpoint on it, and it serves all my needs quite well.Winston OBoogie
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I use Hakko 926s and 936s. They are surplus units that are pretty beat-up (and were cheap). But they work very nicely. I am leery of the Weller units, because at the manufacturer I worked for a few years ago, we purchased 100 units for a staff that averaged 30 people and after 4 years only 6 units still worked and they were "Frankensteined" units. There were three different models, but I don't remember the numbers.
