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lassoharp

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After witnessing what I did this evening I became curious as to what Furman claims the maximum overvoltage protection to be on their pro line of power conditioners/surge protectors.

The overvoltage shutdown for the PL-8 is listed as 140VAC

According to this customer plug  at Musician's Friend:

Thanks to the Series Multi-Stage Protection Plus (SMP+) circuit in the Series II conditioners, damaging transient voltages are safely absorbed, clamped, and dissipated. Surge after surge, the unit will keep protecting itself and your gear. Furman's over-voltage circuitry even protects your gear from damage due to accidental connection to 220V outlets by shutting off the incoming power until it is corrected. With the Furman Series II conditioners, you can just put one in your rack and count on protected clean power forever. No more worries.

What actually happened was:

A sound company arrived for set up at an outdoor benefit concert in the parking lot of a local bar. The head guy went looking for an outlet and found what looked like a normal 117V box mounted to the bottom of a metal halide light just to the side of the stage. Instead of pulling out his voltmeter he asked the bar owner if the outlet was 120V and took it on good faith that it was when the bar owner told him "yes".  It was not. 210V ate his Furman alive - fire literally shot out of the back of the unit - and went on to take out his entire rack of dynamics processing. 8 channels of EQ, compression and gates plus one powered sub!  He might have had better luck with a lightning strike.

I'm wondering if there was some other factor involved or if the overvoltage protection circuit can't be counted on doing what it claims.  Anyone else seen a failure like this?
 
If it was a monster I would not be surprised but furman? hmmmmmm I never had a furman problem but then again I never plugged it into a 210 outlet.... I'll try that and get back to you.
 
We probably don't know more than what you got. There could be allot more detain in the connection he tried to use.

If it ate the other gear, then the Furman device didn't see anything wrong and kept on a trucking.
 
I have switched on a Furman and seen it light up so bright inside that it looked like something from Close Encounters as every bit of plastic glowed from the flash. Smoke followed. Never bought another one.
 
The surgex company has debunked that furman technology, as well as all other MOV based products, like Monster Power.

Every technician and studio owner (especially anyone who budgets for maintenance) should be fully versed in Surgex technology. Should be a required course in electronics.

a quick visit to http://www.surgex.com/  will enlighten any visitor there is a knowledge base on the site that describes all aspects. Pure and Simple
 
Series mode surge protection isn't exclusive to just one company.

Whatever the manufacturer, any surge protection system that can stand double the nominal supply voltage and still work effectively is going to be expensive.
 
lassoharp said:
The head guy went looking for an outlet and found what looked like a normal 117V box mounted to the bottom of a metal halide light just to the side of the stage.

Whoops. A somewhat classic mistake, using what I presume is DC voltage for lights for anything other than lights.

Yes, the outlet is generally the same as your standard 120VAC. And yes, using this same outlet for DC lights on stage/theaters/venues is also a "standard".

The stage guy should have known better.
 
Kingston said:
lassoharp said:
The head guy went looking for an outlet and found what looked like a normal 117V box mounted to the bottom of a metal halide light just to the side of the stage.

Whoops. A somewhat classic mistake, using what I presume is DC voltage for lights for anything other than lights.

Yes, the outlet is generally the same as your standard 120VAC. And yes, using this same outlet for DC lights on stage/theaters/venues is also a "standard".

The stage guy should have known better.

 




That's a good point.  The guy said he measured 210V - but didn't say whether it was AC or DC. Some of the halide lights are AC, one commercial type lists 208 as a working voltage. Some are 250VDC. I guess no realistic provisions for that much oversight in the DC case.
 
208V AC is a common voltage for one leg of a US, 3 phase industrial power system.

But there are many (some strange) ways of getting single phase from a 3 phase system.

 
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