It’s a generational thing rant.

[Gold]

Not to be a stick in the mud but I find baby boomers in general to be much more self absorbed than Gen Z or whatever they’re called. I’m an old Gen X. I find many of my parents generation to be rigid and self abosorbed, and proud of it.

 

[Tubetec]

Yeah show him the topic here and be sure to have your camera rolling to capture the look on his face ,if he's any good he'll take it on the chin, learn something and move ahead , if he goes into melt down and throws his toys out of the pram your probably wasting your time .

 

[ruairioflaherty]

When a boss complains about his staff who does it reflect more poorly on? The staff or the boss?

 

[Tubetec]

I think Pucho did already explain he wasnt in charge of hiring in this instance .

 

[ruffrecords]

Fair points. We should be also be willing to admit that the Internet is relatively new, potent, scalable, and is promoting and inhibiting personality traits in new, unforeseen ways.

Certainly more potent in its reach. In days of yore Facebook was the local pub or the weekly market where people met and discussed face to face. Then when printing was invented broadsheets spread the news more widely but they were still discussed face to face. Telegraph extended the gathering of information to the rest of the world but discussion was still local. Facebook et al are just more immediate, readily available to all but but more importantly faceless.

Cheers

Ian

 

[pucho812]

Tell him you are writing a topic about him

Diy is not his thing.

 

[john12ax7]

Film him filming himself and post it to your insta?

 

[scott2000]

Film him filming himself and post it to your insta?

lol...link it on his page

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Film him filming himself and post it to your insta?

Film him filming himself not following your instructions and show his work vs yours.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

When a boss complains about his staff who does it reflect more poorly on? The staff or the boss?

Mentor/senior tech, not boss.

 

[midwayfair]

I'm sorry you can't be in charge of firing this person, Pucho. I really don't think I would have been as patient as you were to watch someone spend 10 minutes stabilizing their phone to film something I told them not to film. Do you have a toothbrush and a bathroom you can make them scrub? Also, have you had a talk with the person who hired them? Is there a possibility they were actually hired because of their social acumen and not their ability to maintain a studio? I'm not passing judgment on whether that's a good idea, but maybe someone just thought they were useful for other things and could be taught what they've been foisted on you to teach.

As far as the title of the thread goes ... We might be different from "people" that live 2 million years ago, but not different from people that live 20,000 years ago. I'd ask yourself: If you had gotten one of the people like the last couple interns I worked with, who have all been hardworking and frankly better as a junior or senior in college at their job than I was when I was hired full time by my company, would you have painted their entire generation with the brush that they're all super hardworking and disciplined? This doesn't mean I don't think FB and Insta are poison for many people. But LOTS of things in life are poison if people let them be.

 

[JohnRoberts]

What is the desirable end goal? You will not get him on board by embarrassing him. (but I'm one of those self absorbed boomers).

JR

 

[AnalogPackrat]

I'm sorry you can't be in charge of firing this person, Pucho. I really don't think I would have been as patient as you were to watch someone spend 10 minutes stabilizing their phone to film something I told them not to film. Do you have a toothbrush and a bathroom you can make them scrub? Also, have you had a talk with the person who hired them? Is there a possibility they were actually hired because of their social acumen and not their ability to maintain a studio? I'm not passing judgment on whether that's a good idea, but maybe someone just thought they were useful for other things and could be taught what they've been foisted on you to teach.

As far as the title of the thread goes ... We might be different from "people" that live 2 million years ago, but not different from people that live 20,000 years ago. I'd ask yourself: If you had gotten one of the people like the last couple interns I worked with, who have all been hardworking and frankly better as a junior or senior in college at their job than I was when I was hired full time by my company, would you have painted their entire generation with the brush that they're all super hardworking and disciplined? This doesn't mean I don't think FB and Insta are poison for many people. But LOTS of things in life are poison if people let them be.

Well, speaking for myself, I am very thankful to have worked with/for and been mentored by people from the greatest generation, the silent generation, baby boomers, and Gen X. I started part time work at age 14 or 15, did summer internships during college and grad school, and then 29 years in high tech. My personal experience is that the younger generations are, in general, less willing to work, to learn from others on the job, to go the extra mile without being asked. They are more emotionally fragile in general.

It is apparent to anyone who experienced working before these generations entered the workforce. This is all US focused. I have only a little experience working in other countries (South Korea and Israel). Generational trends are probably different in other regions and cultures.

I wish I could work again with those folks from the greatest generation and silent generation. They're gone from this earth or long retired now, but their work ethic, leadership, and positive can-do attitude in general are sorely missed.

 

[Tubetec]

We all have to learn to loose gracefully in life , then pickup the broken pieces, start over again and hopefully up our game , agreed theres little point in flogging a dead horse, but sometimes a good kick up the arse is just what people need to get them back down to ground , re-evaluate ,then rebuild ,better ,stronger.
If he withstands the beasting and shows even a small measure of improvement or willingness to learn at least theres some hope for him . If he turns into a diva and throws a hissy fit ,you might get lucky and he walks .
Play him at his own game , just in case he alledges any impropriety keep audio of the interactions ,but you only need to play that trump card if he tries to force you out of your position .

 

[scott2000]

Sounds pretty over the top tbh. Say it ain't so.....

 

[ruairioflaherty]

Are people really not seeing the irony here?

We have an older man (of a supposedly superior generation mind you) who is failing at his assigned task (being a motivating mentor & manager) running to his internet friends to complain about a young man who is posting to his internet friends about a task he is failing at.

While we're on the irony kick... I live in LA and work mostly with and for artists, producers, mixers and label A&R who are younger than me. All of these purportedly dreadful kids were raised by these supposedly superior generations. If the kids are as bad as many of you are saying then its a giant failure of parenting and leadership on behalf of the older generations.

Which goes somewhat to Paul Gold's point.

There is a responsibility inherent in being the older party.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Managing employees is not easy...

neither is herding cats on the internet...

JR

PS: a lot more than just two movies going on here....

 

[Tubetec]

I see things a bit differently ,Pucho's using an oppertunity here to ask as small group of people in the trade their opinion ,
The punk assed kid is using the social media to paint a rosey picture of himself to try and further his career under false pretences .

 

[L´Andratté]

Are people really not seeing the irony here?

We have an older man (of a supposedly superior generation mind you) who is failing at his assigned task (being a motivating mentor & manager) running to his internet friends to complain about a young man who is posting to his internet friends about a task he is failing at.

While we're on the irony kick... I live in LA and work mostly with and for artists, producers, mixers and label A&R who are younger than me. All of these purportedly dreadful kids were raised by these supposedly superior generations. If the kids are as bad as many of you are saying then its a giant failure of parenting and leadership on behalf of the older generations.

Which goes somewhat to Paul Gold's point.

There is a responsibility inherent in being the older party.

1. you can´t be mentor&manager for someone who rejects it...and you shouldn´t, imo
2. "giant failure of parenting and leadership on behalf of the older generations", exactly but less on an individual but rather at a systemic level, young people nowadays are often seduced by the treacherous illusions served to them on every corner, at best.
I work with children every day, believe me, it´s not a cliché that at the schoolyard, eight yo. play squid game, ten yo. tell me they have "seen everything" on the web (aka beheading stuff, hardcore porn) and have now "left that behind" (10 yo., insanity).
These things don´t get even discussed, only shrugging of shoulders and that´s to me a systemic case of neglect, if not abuse.
So yes I think it´s generational thing but that does not in the slightest way translate to putting the blame on this generation!

 

[Gold]

One difference between baby boomers and gen z is this thing that was called a pension. They no longer exist for most. There was a social contract that said if you work hard at a crappy job at least you will be paid a living wage. No more. I think ‘kids today’ have it harder than the previous few generations.