History..... rhymes?

[JohnRoberts]

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
(George Santayana)
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As another old saying goes, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes."
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For possible insight into China's support of Mexican cartels in the current fentanyl trade a review of the "Opium Wars", back in the 1800s might be instructive. Powerful western traders (British and French) prevented China from stopping the opium trade that was so corrosive to Chinese public welfare.

This seems pretty long to be holding a grudge but the modern fentanyl trade does rhyme with the historic opium trade.

JR

 

[JohnRoberts]

I doubt we are the only country under attack but indeed we are grouped together as the west for the purposes of this old "score" to settle.

It appears that they may see the world as a zero sum game, so making other nations weaker makes themselves stronger.

Note: the world is not a zero sum game (IMO).

JR

 

[living sounds]

Kind of similar:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/29/putin-russia-wagner-militia-africa-immigration-europe/

 

[ruffrecords]

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
(George Santayana)
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As another old saying goes, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes."
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JR

All history is bunk - Henry Ford

Cheers

Ian

 

[JohnRoberts]

All history is bunk - Henry Ford

Cheers

Ian

History is written by the victors, so the Chinese version of the Opium wars may be even worse than reported by western historians.

JR

 

[living sounds]

Dave posted that but from a different publication in his thread on Friday.... great minds..

To be honest, that's where I got the information in the first place. Didn't remember. But it fits with the theme...

 

[JohnRoberts]

Here is another example of history rhyming.... https://www.npr.org/2024/04/26/1247527512/columbia-university-protests-1968-2024-history
Those old enough, and sober enough to remember the 60s will recall that earlier campus drama.
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I can't predict the future but scheduling the 2024 democratic convention to occur in Chicago this year might suggest a throw back to the infamous 1968 democratic convention there.

Danger Will Robinson.

JR

 

[sodderboy]

The Hamas baloney is an appetizer for the coming Summer of Helter Skelter, enabled the same way as the "mostly peaceful" 2020 riots by the government local, state, and national.
Interesting though, to see if the entitled maggots get stomped because they are way too obviously democrat socialists making O'Brandon look bad, and rightly being allied with democrats.
I say keep the cameras in their faces, their identifiable faces.
Mike

 

[fallout]

Are you referring to the pro-Palestinian protesters who beat a Jewish girl unconscious? Disgusting indeed.

 

[JohnRoberts]

There is a pattern but I don't want to give them too much credit.

Past actions were successful at getting police defunded and bail abandoned. As I have already shared, the democratic convention in Chicago this year will be a special time (anyone remember 1968?)

The NYC mayor surprised me positively. He has mostly been a disappointment but stepped up to deal with the Columbia building takeover.

So apparently peaceful protest is now frowned upon?

peaceful protests are protected speech, the rampant anti-semitism is hate speech and not acceptable. Jewish students are being denied access to education.

People you disagree with are entitled maggots?

That is undesirable language... not civil discourse as required here (Rule #4).

Well last night a group of masked non student pro-israel thugs descended on UCLA campus and started attacking people. One person was literally stomped. Disgusting.

There has been law breaking by both sides. So far we have seen far more anti-Israel behavior.

The reports I saw about UCLA were critical of both the university administration and LA police who were late and then did not shut down the conflict immediately.

Other schools and big city police departments handled this recent drama much more successfully.

Everybody please behave....

JR

 

[fallout]

Violence on either side should be called out and prosecuted.

I thought the 'peaceful' pro-Palestinian protest escalated after a Jewish girl was beaten unconscious.

Curious why you'd consider this peaceful?

Admittedly, I didn't read much about the entire event but I thought that was the gist of it. (girl attacked, people retaliated)

Weren't the police nowhere to be found as well? Odd.

 

[jabe]

That is undesirable language... not civil discourse as required here (Rule #4).

And yet you said nothing when sodderboy used that language originally, only when john12ax7 questioned his use of that language...

Source?

Might want to settle in, you've got a long wait ahead of you...

 

[JohnRoberts]

And yet you said nothing when sodderboy used that language originally, only when john12ax7 questioned his use of that language...

I don't enjoy this mano a mano as much as you guys (herding cats on the internet), but allow me to explain my rationale.

I added this to the Brewery sub-forum header some time ago to cool the temperature of discussions around here "~ Warning: personal attacks prohibited and will be strictly moderated"..... I proposed extending the prohibition to no ad hominem attacks against 3rd parties either, not just forum members, but I did not get any support to broaden the rules beyond what they already are.

Mike tends to speak crudely when upset but AFAIK did not personally attack another forum member. It did upset a forum member so I criticized the language but I did not perceive it as a rule violation.

Might want to settle in, you've got a long wait ahead of you...

I wouldn't get too comfortable. I predict a bumpy ride ahead in the coming months.

This thread is about historical lessons and 1968 keeps getting raised as a similar (while different) political climate.

JR

 

[sodderboy]

Answer your own question if these groups were MAGA, doing exactly the same stupidity. You would say "Not peaceful, lock 'em up!" And so would I.
Peaceful? If you are destroying property and threatening people you are not peaceful. If you are throwing frozen water bottles, laser light, or bodily fluid balloons at the police, you are not peaceful. If you are breaking the law, you are not peaceful. You should be rounded-up with the professional agitators. Period. Rioters got a TOTAL pass, and actual enablement, summer 2020 thanks to all levels of government. Today those same government enablers are between a rock and a hard place with these hajis. Eat it!
The whole Columbia thang where they barricaded themselves and a wanna-be PhD in marxist rubbish appealed for food access- absolutely entitled maggots, which you would call "hungry peaceful protesters"? They prove my point. NYC DA office probably sent them back out the Social Justice revolving door, but uni expulsion prolly does not have a return ticket. Eat it!

One wonderful moment- marxist hajis AND MAGA found common ground at University of Alabama chanting "Eff Joe Biden!" together.
Kumbaya
Mike

 

[cyrano]

 

[cyrano]

Why were so many arrested?



It's quite clear which side employs provocateurs...

 

[JohnRoberts]

Those who commit violence should be locked up, whatever side they are on.

yup

So you must be in favor of the Jan 6 rioters getting arrested as well?

jan 6 looks tame compared to the last several years of street riots. Of course any and all actual law breaking needs to be punished (with sensible DAs and real punishment for crimes)
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Do you favor equal application of the law?

I'm in LA, so the local news coverage of UCLA has been live and extensive. There is universal agreement that peaceful protestors were attacked the other night and the police did nothing. Now the police have rolled in full force arresting the protesters,, with many of them asking "where were you the other night?". They have a point.

I have already shared the criticism of UCLA administration, LAPD, Mayor and Gov. Even Gov Newson has chimed in (well after the fact). Those in charge responded with too little, way too late.

There would be no counter protests if the school administration shut it down the encampments in a timely manner.

The question looming over the campus now is the fate of the camp. On Tuesday evening, UCLA had declared the camp “unlawful” and in violation of university policy.

Maybe they could have taken it down sooner without waiting for violence to break out.

That doesn't mean no violence has been committed across the country. But often these are outside forces causing trouble, or even the opposite side in an attempt to discredit a movement. Either way you don't take away the rights of the many because of the actions of a few.

Indeed. What about the rights being denied Jewish students? Hard to believe that this is happening in 2024 America.

Maybe watch something other than Fox news and you will get a more realistic perspective of world events.

I get a small dose of mainstream news (ABC) nightly from my local TV station, their bias is palpable (while I am probably right of center).
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My suspicion is that Gaza and Israel are just a convenient excuse to create chaos with, here and now. These "students" (cough) probably couldn't find Gaza on a map of Gaza.

If they want to free Palestine, protest against Hamas. That is who is using innocent Palestinians as human shields, then blaming the IDF for the deaths that they precipitated.

JR

 

[cyrano]

The Media Masters have tried very hard to erase this from the nets. It's the view on the Middle East from a former US marine.



And this guy was there. Everywhere.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Of course, as does any rational person.

glad we determined that, it seems like laws are not being enforced consistently

There are reports of people physically blocking students from going to certain places on campus. That of course shouldn't be tolerated and those responsible punished.

yup

You watch Fox news and find ABC extremely biased? Really? Cmon it's not like it's msnbc. ABC is like Fox business, there might be some slant, but mostly just report what's going on.

I do not watch fox for general news but watch some fox business news shows, and fox opinion/comedy shows (like the Five and Greg Gutfeld). I read the WSJ newspaper for hard news. I watch my local TV station news for the above average local weather reports, i usually FF through the network news clips.
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Speaking of MSNBC did you see Katy Tur on Monday push back against Nancy Pelosi's partisan slanted job gains/losses screed. The Democratic spin is that exPresident Trump's administration caused massive employment losses, and President Biden gained those jobs back and more. Tur pointed out the obvious, that there was a global pandemic that complicates the literal interpretation of the data. Nancy Pelosi did not appreciate the friendly fire coming from her own side. Nancy accused Katy Tur of being an apologist for Trump? It appears that Tur was just trying to be honest. I wonder if that is a new trend, or she just made a mistake.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...for-adding-context-to-job-numbers/ar-AA1nTwlQ

Maybe she is trying to get hired by Fox?

JR

 

[Gold]

There are quite a few Jewish "pro-Palastinian" protesters in the Columbia camp. Trying to divide the protests strictly by ethnicity misses quite a bit although it makes for a neat and clean, but wrong impression.