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Steve Jones

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Has anyone here looked into designing an audio distribution amp? I have some tapes to transfer to digital, and I would like to record them to PCM and DSD at the same time, and would prefer to use something better than a split lead. I missed out on a nice Sony unit recently on Ebay, so I decided it might be best just to build one myself, thought I would check here first to see if anyone has been down this road before.
 
Yup, me too I'm curious as to what the pitfalls are if you would just
go ahead and take a box of 553xs and multiply...I could get one of
those together in a snap if it's a sound concept.
 
I was about to type out a reply, then remembered that I've talked about this before.

http://www.groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=899.msg11348;topicseen#msg11348

http://www.groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=12761.msg147052;topicseen#msg147052

There are also DAs that use individual amplifiers for each output, ATI's products being a good example.

There's a LOT of used broadcast audio DAs floating around on eBay and elsewhere. You shouldn't have to DIY one unless you just enjoy the challenge.
 
NewYorkDave said:
I was about to type out a reply, then remembered that I've talked about this before.

http://www.groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=899.msg11348;topicseen#msg11348

http://www.groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=12761.msg147052;topicseen#msg147052

There are also DAs that use individual amplifiers for each output, ATI's products being a good example.

There's a LOT of used broadcast audio DAs floating around on eBay and elsewhere. You shouldn't have to DIY one unless you just enjoy the challenge.

Tyanks Dave, I will go on the prowl and see if I can but one. I already have a DIY backlog so it will be much easier to but something from Ebay and recap it and line it up.
 
Since most outputs will drve 600 ohms and are <100R output impedance, and most modern inputs are 22K.... I just put a 1K or 2K resistor from source to each load. The <1dB voltage loss is easily trimmed away. If one or even two loads get shorted, any surviving loads still get good signal.

2K source and -1dB loss at 16KHz is 5,000pFd or >150 feet of cable. My local lines are 6 feet, 400KHz bandwidth. (Maybe 150KHz including RFI caps on most inputs.) I actually drive a remote booth through 3K3 and 200 feet of cable, 'cuz he'd never miss the top-octave, and he DOES short my line.

That's unbalanced, re-figure for balanced.

That's all that's in most of these Distribution amps anyway. Bridged loudspeaker amp chips and a bunch of 270R resistors. A speaker-chip fed for 10-20 ohm operation can drive DOZENs of 270R shorts and still put signal into anybody left. It is very rare to find separate amp for each output.

If you have just two loads, don't crap it up with extra amplifier stages. Just split with resistors.

And my need, like Live Broadcast, is "show goes on". But in transfer work, if a load goes dead, you usually stop, fix, rewind. If you will stop on any fault, it hardly matters if the non-faulted machines lose signal. And you don't have panicked talent running loose. Shorts are less likely. So the despised Y-cable IS a valid solution.

(Unless you are making 10,000 copies 20 at a time; then it may be quicker to go ahead with 19 decks and 5% overtime than to stop and fix the dead recorder.)
 
There is no need for distribution amplifier. It just adds noise. One low impedance output can drive several high impedance inputs parallel without any loss in performance. It is a common practice in broadcast systems and other pro audio applications.
 
Can I post an OT (but related in a way) question here?

What is the verdict on hybrid (opamp + AB followers) versus f.e. stacked (two paralleled) opamps in balanced output drivers? Pros/cons and DC-nulling etc?
 
The method PPR describes is exactly what we use for broadcasting in the UK. We have 5-ohm output impedance amps driving line inputs with a series resistor in case of shorted detinations. It's worked fine for decades.
 
audiox said:
There is no need for distribution amplifier. It just adds noise. One low impedance output can drive several high impedance inputs parallel without any loss in performance. It is a common practice in broadcast systems and other pro audio applications.

Sounds good to me, I will try PRR's resistor method, as I am going into an Apogee converter and a Korg MR-1000 I doubt that I will have a problem.
 
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