back to your regularly scheduled protests

[pucho812]

Scene from hollywood last night.  This was very close to the studio 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE3eMEtMTpY

 

[ruffrecords]

Shocking.

Ian

 

[living sounds]

Do you realize how disingenuous it is what you are doing here?

Because of an incident with a few idiots (who should be brought to justice, obviously) you are insinuating that the entire movement is illegitimate and violent, instead of a social movement brought on by actual grievances.

And you seem to ignore the centuries of violence and oppression that form the context of the situation were are in today.

Meanwhile you are silent on the evidence I posted in the other thread about actual planned violence (criminal conspiracy) of rightwing groups in Portland.


So, I'm afraid it's shame on you, Sir.

 

[abbey road d enfer]

Shocking.

Ian

What shocks me the most is the anchor selling his stuff with his fatherly grin...
Not knowing what or if the driver did to attract ire, I refrain profering an opinion.

 

[JohnRoberts]

The good news is we only have a few more weeks of this drama to go. While I expect it will probably get worse before it ends. Since I haven't honed my mind reading skills I can't say with any certainty what their end game is. Maybe avoid such public gatherings.

Everybody stay safe and be sure to vote (at least the US citizens here).

JR

PS: Charles Barkley (a sports blowhard) is swimming against the popular sentiment in the modern NBA by declaring that the "defund the police" movement are a bunch of dumbasses. To quote Sir Charles, "if black people can't call the police, who are they gonna call... Ghostbusters?". He makes a lucid point.   

 

[living sounds]

PS: Charles Barkley (a sports blowhard) is swimming against the popular sentiment in the modern NBA by declaring that the "defund the police" movement are a bunch of dumbasses. To quote Sir Charles, "if black people can't call the police, who are they gonna call... Ghostbusters?". He makes a lucid point. 

Joe Biden says the same thing.

"Defund the police" is understood to mean "reform the police" and not "abolish the police".

 

[pucho812]

Do you realize how disingenuous it is what you are doing here?

Because of an incident with a few idiots (who should be brought to justice, obviously) you are insinuating that the entire movement is illegitimate and violent, instead of a social movement brought on by actual grievances.

And you seem to ignore the centuries of violence and oppression that form the context of the situation were are in today.

Meanwhile you are silent on the evidence I posted in the other thread about actual planned violence (criminal conspiracy) of rightwing groups in Portland.


So, I'm afraid it's shame on you, Sir.

You do understand that all the white car did was try and get around protesters trying to get home. While people have a right to protest they do not have a right to vandalize the area, or attack a car. You will notice the white car didn’t even hit anyone until they had to flee in fear which caused the accident with the green car and the rest.
As for shame on me, I don’t live in Portland.  While they have their own problems, we have ours in l.a.. As was said to me years ago, want to change the world start by making your bed in the morning. In other words take care of home. Having this kind of behavior that close makes taking care of home difficult.

 

[living sounds]

You do understand that all the white car did was try and get around protesters trying to get home. While people have a right to protest they do not have a right to vandalize the area, or attack a car. You will notice the white car didn’t even hit anyone until they had to flee in fear which caused the accident with the green car and the rest.
As for shame on me, I don’t live in Portland.  While they have their own problems, we have ours in l.a.. As was said to me years ago, want to change the world start by making your bed in the morning. In other words take care of home. Having this kind of behavior that close makes taking care of home difficult.

It's not about the event as such, but about the context. It's obvious from your posts that you are driven to paint BLM in the worst possible light, by focussing exclusively on any negativity associated with it. Why?

 

[pucho812]

It's not about the event as such, but about the context. It's obvious from your posts that you are driven to paint BLM in the worst possible light, by focussing exclusively on any negativity associated with it. Why?

Because, ultimately what the claims are, do not line up with what is actually happening.  The data is not there to support their claims.  You can support black lives, or any lives for that matter, being a caring human, without having to support organizations like BLM.  BLM as a whole does not care about black people. This has been shown time and time again.  Almost every time there is a BLM protest near the studio it doesn't end well.

 

[iturnknobs]

Because, ultimately what the claims are, do not line up with what is actually happening...
This has been shown time and time again.  Almost every time there is a BLM protest near the studio it doesn't end well.

Hmm... not ending well? Can’t imagine why.
http://visionofhumanity.org/global-terrorism-index/far-right-attacks-in-the-west-surge-by-320-per-cent/
https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-right-wing-extremism-white-supremacists-rank-as-the-top-terrorist-threats/article_fd91ade2-cb80-58f8-af63-1dhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jihadist-plots-used-be-u-s-europe-s-biggest-terrorist-n1234840d0025e386c.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/26/trump-domestic-extemism-homeland-security-401926

 

[pucho812]

Hmm... not ending well? Can’t imagine why.
http://visionofhumanity.org/global-terrorism-index/far-right-attacks-in-the-west-surge-by-320-per-cent/
https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-right-wing-extremism-white-supremacists-rank-as-the-top-terrorist-threats/article_fd91ade2-cb80-58f8-af63-1dhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jihadist-plots-used-be-u-s-europe-s-biggest-terrorist-n1234840d0025e386c.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/26/trump-domestic-extemism-homeland-security-401926

Funny, I didn’t call blm a terrorist organization nor did I elude to terrorism. More over I am not sure what any white supremacy had to do with chasing a car down and beating on it as is in my original post. I would bet you had they got the driver out of the car, they would have beat him and for what? Some dude just trying to go somewhere.
But thanks for sharing opinions about white supremacy being the number one terroristic threat I guess they replaced  all the ones chanting death to America over seas.

 

[scott2000]

But thanks for sharing opinions about white supremacy being the number one terroristic threat I guess they replaced  all the ones chanting death to America over seas.

Not really. I think the article was meant to share a piece of a larger picture. Like there were no incidents in the US in 2018. The "West" includes some 25 other countries (Norway,UK,Germany...etc) in the article so it's a bit confusing. Here's the index it refers to.


http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2019/11/GTI-2019web.pdf

Not sure about the Politico article. It includes that kid in Ohio who shot a bunch of people in a bar but he was a self claimed far left guy with some issues I think but idk for sure... But the piece was pointing to just domestic terrorism in general I believe...

The other 2nd link didn't work for me...

 

[rjb5191]

All extremeism should be condemmed.  It sounds like white supremecist groups are associated with the most the violent deaths and leftist extremeist groups have obviously been far ahead in property damage and looting. Both are wrong. 

 

[iturnknobs]

All extremeism should be condemmed.  It sounds like white supremecist groups are associated with the most the violent deaths and leftist extremeist groups have obviously been far ahead in property damage and looting. Both are wrong.

I agree, but you have been able to attach death to one side and property damage to another. I'd rather have my windows broken than end up dead. The reason I posted the right-wing extremist death articles is because there is reliable documentation about how white supremacy is becoming more common/infiltrating our police departments. I just didn't have the energy to continue with those who are selfish and refuse to see... or can justify driving a car through people. May as well just mow them down with a gun.

Edit: exercise your 2nd amendment rights. Law and order.

 

[desol]

I usually tend to think that things happen for a reason. If black people are being murdered by the police over and over again, without regard...there's a problem. I'm just not sure where the actual problem is. Every situation is different.

 

[iturnknobs]

I usually tend to think that things happen for a reason. If black people are being murdered by the police over and over again, without regard...there's a problem. I'm just not sure where the actual problem is. Every situation is different.

Every situation is different, indeed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mashable/status/613656225469874176

I can't imagine why everyone is going so crazy... Unequal treatment, maybe?

 

[desol]

Every situation is different, indeed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mashable/status/613656225469874176

I can't imagine why everyone is going so crazy... Unequal treatment, maybe?

If systemic racism is real, I guess each person needs to have a look in a mirror and simply ask themselves.."am I racist?" If so, why?

 

[living sounds]

If systemic racism is real, I guess each person needs to have a look in a mirror and simply ask themselves.."am I racist?" If so, why?

There's unintended/unconscious bias, but systemic racism is the failure to adress intentional racism as well as unintended bias on the organizational level.

It's a complex issue, but I agree, people need to accept the problem exists as a first step. Many are unable or unwilling to do that.

Especially in a situation where ethnic groups are pitted against each other for political and economic profit (scapegoading).

 

[desol]

There's unintended/unconscious bias, but systemic racism is the failure to adress intentional racism as well as unintended bias on the organizational level.

It's a complex issue, but I agree, people need to accept the problem exists as a first step. Many are unable or unwilling to do that.

Especially in a situation where ethnic groups are pitted against each other for political and economic profit (scapegoading).

Yes it does get complex...but it's also fairly simple at the same time. We have to ask ourselves, what is motivating me?

 

[Recording Engineer]

We have to ask ourselves, what is motivating me?

Whatever I think will keep me in office at this moment.