building a telephone handset microphone?

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Anyone ever built one of these?
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2006/11/how_to_make_a_t_2.html

Would there be impedance issues going to a pre?

 
Not sure about the impedance issue, but another cool way to do this is simply install a 1/4" jack in the handset itself and wire it to the earpiece.  That way you don't need the external box.  OTOH it wouldn't sound quite the same as the carbon element.
 
Hmm, that's an interesting thought. Last time I opened one I recall the middle (hand) section was largely empty - probably room for a battery and switch in there.

Your mention of "earpiece" made me realize, wait, there's 2 carbon elements in here - an earpiece and a mouthpiece. And I wouldn't be surprised if they were identical.

Also, a phone tap like JK Audio's Voice Path has a selector switch for phone type, and carbon is one of the settings. If I could find a schematic for this product or something similar, I'd be on the right track.  Otherwise I'll just go straight battery and experiment from there.  Thanks.
 
I've built a mic from a carbon telephone element and yes, there is an impedence issue.
If you have the old telephone, there's probably a transformer inside ( i just found replacement elements at a surplus place so I don't really know 100%) anyhow, you will probably have to do something.
I built about 5 of these http://www.scotthelmke.com/Mint-box-buffer.html and it worked well with the carbon element.
Like I said there's a bit more inside the phone than just the element so the box you have with the battery should really be powering the entire telephone, not just the handset. well not the ringer etc, but hopefully you get my point.
edit:
OK so there isn't so much more inside... a few resistors and a bit of voltage. but the impedances on the receiving end are very carefully controlled in a telephone "system"

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more info from a western electric telephone site
http://www.porticus.org/bell/telephones.html#Dial%20Telephone%20Switching%20Equipment
Test Set Phone
(A.K.A., the "butt-set", as in "butting into a conversation" which is one use for this item)
My Lineman's Test Set

Monitor/Talk
Switch
Test Clip
For making temporary "clip-on" connections


Genuine Bell
of course!



Rotary Dial
Belt Hanger

"The term "butt-in" and "butt-out" came from telephone terminology. The reason for the name Butt-set, is that this device is named after the inventor Mr. Buttinsky. I have seen cut sheets from Graybar for Harris -Dracon TS-21 sets that refer to them as Buttinsky's.  The telephone industry was one of the largest employers, so it is not surprising that many phone-related terms became common usage." - James Stettler

This is not a phone like you would have in your home unless you are a phone collector like me!  It was used by the "Telephone Repairman" to troubleshoot problems in phone line circuits or to monitor, break in (or "butt in") to a telephone conversation already in progress.

The following information was contributed by Dennis D Hock and Steph Kerman:

    "The official Bell System model number of a test set like this is 1013 if equipped with permanent clip leads for an installer/repairman or 1014 if equipped with an interchangeable test cord plug for CO/PBX use. The earlier 1011 variations were distinguished by letter suffixes as was the later 1015 test set with pushbutton dial. However no difference in 1013/1014 code regardless of whether it was blue, yellow or orange. (Obviously they were already beginning to "lose it" when they did this.)" - Steph Kerman

    "The circuit is a very basic type which utilizes a capacitor, resistor, inductor, T1 transmitter and a LA1 i think receiver. The Monitor switch is used to create a circuit similar to that in the 302AA, 500E/F sets, that is a high impedance bridge to monitor. It is not high enough that it won't attenuate data service however. This is formed by using the capacitor in series with the receiver the switch and the line. In talk mode the inductor in series with the transmitter and bridged by the receiver and the capacitor." - Dennis

    "Actually, the iron core device is a bridging transformer with hi-Z (10K?) primary winding to permit monitoring on data circuits at a much higher impedance than would be possible without a transformer. The transformer is as best as I recall used as an inductor during talking to keep DC out of the REC so that the REC can be protected with a varistor for click suppression.... a refinement not found on the 1011 which used a simple series circuit.

    There is a BSP in the 100, 103 or 106 BSP divisions describing various cord configurations. and showing a schematic.

    BTW the dial is a standard #10A Trimline dial except equipped with a porcelain number plate." - Steph Kerman
 
FWIW, on the handset that I had, the earpiece was NOT a carbon element, just a dynamic one, so no battery necessary.  Still pretty low-fi, and less hassle.  Might be worth trying before you try to power the carbon element.
 
> there's 2 carbon elements in here - an earpiece and a mouthpiece. And I wouldn't be surprised if they were identical.

I'd be shocked. Poop-my-pants shocked.

Anyway, on Bell 500, the connectors are different. (The mike can be replaced without a screwdriver; mikes go bad a LOT.)

The Carbon Mike is the only common irreversible audio transducer. Dynamics can be mike or speaker. Condensers too, though you must bypass the head-amp to get a speaker. Carbon Mikes, no matter how much electric-audio you put IN to them, no sound comes out. (Smoke, but not sound.)

Actually, the carbon mike IS an amplifier, but a mechanical-electrical amplifier, not an "electronic" amplifier. It takes raw power, it modulates it against a signal, the signal output power can be larger than the signal input power... that's an amplifier.

The ear-side is a moving-iron "dynamic" (tho we usually reserve that term for moving-coil systems).

The carbon mike alone is "low" impedance, 50-300 ohms. And relative to other types of mikes, VERY high output voltage. Should be no problem getting "good sound" in any likely audio impedance. The DC-feed and blocking network can be an issue.

The single-button carbon has serious fidelity problems. The double-button carbon mike, used only for radio broadcasts and lab work, can be quite good, though the hiss never goes away.
 
Most of the advance telephone handsets didn't work in this scenario. If you have an old telephone, you can definitely create a telephone handset microphone. I also created my own telephone handset microphone a year ago and as of now, it is still working.
 
probably not what you were looking for (sorry didn't read the whole thread) But like Bob log III once said to me.... just ditch the mic part and wire a jack to the headphone part and plug that in an amp.

works for me!

ymmv

greetings,

thomas
 
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