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Tim, this is all great information. :thumb:

Nice techniques for the plastic spacers, I found this to be one of the hardest things to make.
I've put my capsules aside 'till I built myself a decent working microphone.
I'll do that one with chinese capsules.

I'm looking forward to your new design capsule-pictures !!
 
I am going to have a go at a CK12 ( or two! ) and Richard H has been
very kindly supplying me with some measurements and drawings
of the capsule he dismantled.
Tim has been more than helpful with info and suggestions too.
I may get a local engineering company to do some bits as it is
a bit fiddly and post pictures and compiled specifications when I have it
all together.

Giles
 
hi there,

somewhere I have the details for a capsule from an early 1960's hi-fi magazine. It used an aluminium backplate, and the original used aluminium sputtered foil from a capacitor supplier. An apprentice made it up for me. A mic tech diapragmed it for me with his own gold sputtered mylar, I installed it in a KM86 that had no capsules, and i used it very succesfully for a couple of years til it walked from the studio. It sounded marvelous! I;ll see if I can find the paperwork. Might take a little while to post, cos i don't have a scanner.

Be patient, and I;ll try to post them!
 
A couple of quick tips. For spacers use TEONEX Q51 from DUPONTS it has a translucent appearance and is stiffer, making it easier to see and easier to work.take special care to cut a clean internal diameter !
When making anular rings have a look at the crosssectional contour of a quality mic you will find there is more to it than a flat ring. I will try to explain this in a little more detail later.
good luck
Andy
 
[quote author="strangeandbouncy"] Might take a little while to post, cos i don't have a scanner.[/quote]

Sounds intriguing - it would be good to see this. If you want to send me some photocopies I could scan them for you.

Stewart
 
Very cool. Is that a stock newer CK12 backplate inside? I like the thin gold coat on the PET.
 
Yeah I know, but there are lots of other things I want to make.
Mic body parts etc and other things that wil help me to pay
the mortgage and never have to work for anyone else EVER AGAIN!!!!!!
I guess, being a Virgo, I kinda need repeatability etc but you are
right.
What correlations have you found between chamber depths and
frequency responses etc?
 
Tim,

Very cool! I have a few questions--is the foam only a ring, or is it a solid piece? Will you have any problems with foam deteriorating?
 
Tim,

your new capsule is looking very interesting! I've come back to post a couple of further updates on what I've been doing.

Thanks for the tips so far, I've had better luck cutting out the spacer and tuning the membrane. I've used a sine wave on the keyboard now - I'm still not convinced of how accurately I'm getting the tuning though. When you say you've tuned your capsules to 1200Hz - I'm curious to know what margin of error you think there is in that?

Anyway, I've hit another snag.

First a little background on how I've made the capsule as the snag relates to the materials I've used. I started with a one inch brass rod cut and belt sanded it to the correct thickness. For the outer plastic part of the the backplate, I was a bit creative. I don't have a lathe, and I'm not as skilled with the belt sander as you are Tim, so in order to get the outer part of the capsule circular I found a tube that had a 34mm inside diamater (was the end of a piece of PVC I had around). I then placed the brass part of the backplate in the centre of this tube. If you can imagine, there was then space/air where I wanted the plastic part of the capsule to be. I used this as a mould and used epoxy resin to fill the space, leaving me with the plastic outer part of the capsule when it cured. I then took this epoxy ring a made a silicone mould of it so I could repeat the process easily, to create both retaining rings and further rings to fit around the brass part of the backplate if needed. I hope that description makes sense - it may be a bit hard to visualise without photos.

Anyway, the snag I have is that the epoxy retaining rings (which are reasonably thin) are a tiny bit flexible. This means that after I've added a diaphragm to them, when screwing them on to the backplate I tend to get wrinkles in the diaphragm as the screws seem to slightly alter the tension of the diaphragm by slightly warping the retaing ring.

So from this, I've decided it's going to be easier to use a metal retaining ring (I have quite a bit of 1.6mm aluminium aroud that should be fine). This will also solve getting an electrical connection, (though Tim your suggesion of another screw to make contact worked fine on the epoxy ring).

My problem is though I don't have any real way to get the retaining rings circular. I've got a hole saw to cut out a 1 inch hole, so the inside is ok, it's just the outer part. What I was thinking though was this, could the retaining rings actually be a square shape with a circular cutout? (Much easier to make!) The capsule backplate will of course still be circular, so it wont look neat, but it should be ok? I figure as the clamping motion of the retaining ring seals the capsule to the backplate it doesn't matter if the actual retaining ring is larger and of a different shape. The only problem I could think of is that the capsule will no longer be streamlined per say, so that may effect sound reaching the capsule - I don't know?

any thoughts?

Tim
 
Tim if it sounds that good do you realy want to post about it on the web?

Most "NEW" microphones seem to be the same thing again and again this capsule that capsule this body grill that body grill same parts different looks
 
No gus, I'm not worried about posting about my capsule. Though I haven't sat down with one of their capsules my new one is based on E.C. Wente/AKG's work.

Plus if you read my posts I mostly only comment on capsules. I won't give away my own solutions but I have done whatever I can to encourage people to build their own capsules. I love capsules and leave all the other aspects (such as electronics) to guys like you.

It's so hard to find information in this area. I've described my own situation as like trying to learn to be a horticulturist by staring intently into a florist's window. A long, slow, painful process that I find very rewarding.
I only wish I had more time for this sort of thing.
 
I have been jump started into activity by Tim's promising results with the C12 type capsule.
Some years ago I had a go at making a resonant chamber type capsule with vareing degrees of success.The main problem was the spacing of the sections (hypercritical).and if you did get it right,trying to do it again was a nightmare !
However when AKG did get it right they produced a wonderful
mic unsurpased even to day.probably due to ,amongst other things the comparative lack of phasing artifacts..The mic was once described by a broadcast engineering friend as "a truely complete microphone"
Anyway I thought I would have another go .Different approaches different angles etc etc.
Thing is I have lost all my Kalske and Spandock info.I believe Giles got some from Richard H. Or Tim,if you could let me have some engineering data + exploded pics.I'll owe you a couple of beers! No secrets just orriginal data.
Thanks Andy
 
Thought i'd post back with my latest update.

I've fully constructed my first capsule now. I ended up making circular retaining rings (using a belt sander to sand the aluminum retaining rings wasn't as hard as I pictured, however I probably could've spent a lot longer doing this in pursuit of something closer to a perfect circle.) Anyway, I had my first initial testing of the capsule and the results are promising, but not great.

I'm getting audio, but my output is very low and there is quite a bit of hum. As to quality of the sound of the capsule - it's too early to tell.

I'm not sure it's the capsule that's responsable at the moment. I had built a new circuit/body for my diy capsule and haven't tested the curcuit fully. It's just the standard Royer mod circuit - I'm running the capsule as a cardoid only. I'll have to trace through it tonight, and if I don't find any faults, I'll sub in a chinese 32mm capsule I've got here to see if the amplifier circuit is actually working correctly. The hum sounds like a typically grounding problem, so I'll start with that. (I did test the microphone in it's fully assembled state, ie in the body with grill etc). Fingers crossed its a simple problem in the circuit and not my capsule.

I'll post with further news when I have it. I'd like to provide pictures, but my parents have borrowed my camera for an overseas trip, and I only have an old crappy point and shoot thing that wont focus close enough to get any pics that can show any real detail.

tim
 
Hi

Richard is getting back to me in a little while with some more info
on the CK12 he pulled apart and when I've collected all the data
together I shall post it so we can all have a go.
What Tim is doing is far beyond what I had intended as I just wanted
to try and reproduce something that had already been done.
Tim has every chance of making something really new, which is a
difficult thing in these times.
Very inspiring!!!!!!!!
 
[quote author="PatinaCreme"]Will this work as for vacuum evaporation
He is Silvering and Aluminizing telescope mirrors
Patina[/quote]

Silvering with chemicals: Likely the final coated thickness is way too thick. Vacuum evaporation is capable of generating films that are a few atoms thick.

His aluminizing chamber is exactly what you use to deposit gold (or any other metal that melts at a low temperature). That's pretty much my setup, but I have been using a non-valved system - I pump through the diffusion pump, and apparently my diff pump was designed for this service; the valves are particularly expensive. I got the photos developed of my setup (and a test nickel-coated diaphragm) and will hopefully post them this evening. The devil is in the details - getting the system leak-tight was the hardest part of the whole process.
 

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