MTA 1537 Where to buy?????

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henk

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I am looking for 2 x MTA1537 , they are from Aphex , and need them to replace 2 one's that are no longer there because of a dummy that try it on a higher voltage than normal in datasheet.(R.I.P.)

Or can somebody give me a schemo that can replace the MTA1537 , that would also be ok.

It could also be a nice project to replace them , because there are many compressors and gate's out there with the MTA1537

My mail is htgerbenzon(at)hotmail(dot)com
 
http://www.google.com/search?q=MTA1537&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N

http://www.dbmproaudio.com/behrparts.html
Type Part No. Description Price
IC 0ICS-104 IC MTA1537 6.50
 
Dear PRR

I am very greatfull that you give me them because in EU I have not found one for sale , in USA as i just have seen the are for sale.

The are for an old nice Be_ringer mdx 2000 , and Be_ringer does not want to repair it , because the do not have the parts no more , and in the USA the say that they do have the parts , strangs?????
 
I find it even stranger that my MDX2000 doesn't even have them. At least I don't think so. Does your MDX2000 have a torroid transformer? I read somewhere the early models have torroid transformers, mine (obviously a later model) has a normal power transformer. Also, my MDX2000 has a little daughter board that's soldered upside down to an IC socket. Looks a little funky.
What I like about the 2000 model vs the 2100 is that the MDX2000 doesn't have that auto level function that reduces the level when the signal hits the limiter for more than a few milliseconds. May be handy for live work, but for recording jobs that sucks.
 
> Be_ringer does not want to repair it , because the do not have the parts no more , and in the USA the say that they do have the parts , strangs?????

That page is for a Be_ringer dealer and repair shop, not the Be_ringer company.

It is possible the dealer has parts, even if the company does not have any (or won't admit they have some).

It is also possible the dealer has listed the part and price, but doesn't really have the parts. That page may not have been updated.

There is an email link and FAX number. Ask them if they can sell you a part and ship it.
 
the mdx2000 has a round trafo and give power to lm7815/7915 and has no extra boards in it , only the one on top with the leds in it with the drivers. You can changs the audio parts there to better one's , so the mdx will sound very good.

What is different with the normal mdx2000 is the we changed the lm7815 lm 7915 to lm7818 lm7918 than you will not hear the knee in the compressor part. But if someone put them on 311V instead of 230V you will see some strangs things going on in it. Have allready changed the rest and is working again but coild not get any mta1537 , not in the netherlands or germany , so therefore the question on this forum about the mta1537.

But PRR is telling us that we just could get these part by any behringer shop , perhaps it is so in the USA but not here , some company's dont like to give you any parts at all , not even when you know them a long time.
Special by behringer holland , the dont want to sell you that , the only want to repair the thing and give you a nice bill at the end.
Then if they see that you changed it all , they dont want to repair it no more , and no part part , means that you can throug it away.
 
Very interesting. Your MDX2000 seems to be very different from mine. I wish I could get one like yours to compare.

Did you try to contact Aphex or their distributor in the Netherlands? They should have those parts for servicing their own products. Maybe they'll sell you two of those chips.
 
Hey Rossi

Have tried everything possible , but because behringer has changed from servicepoint to servicepoint in my country , it was not possible to get parts from either one.

There are even more different type's of mxd 2000 mdx 2100 , there are some that have ssm 2018 in them. They have a different sound as them with mta1537 , the kne of the compressor is different aswell in sounding.
They look the same but inside the are very different on the audio part of it but not the part that will do the parameter settings and the outside.
 
Interesting. I also have three MDX2100, all different revisions. But they don't differ that much in design. The VCA chips are either DBX 1252 (with a dot of paint to mask the logo), µPC (clones of the DBX1252), or THAT 2159. Those are all pin compatible chips.
The bigger difference is in the opamps used. Early Composers (like my MDX2000) use Behringer BE027 and BE037opamps (dual and quad) - whatever those may be. In the early 90s Behringer offered those chips as upgrades for standard opamps such as 072/074; I think they even mentioned the NE5532. I could never find any real information on them let alone a data sheet.
Another one has BA4558 dual opamps. This ist by far the worst sounding unit. I put in NE5532s instead (the chip on the right to the VCA), and it instantly sounded *a lot* better. The middle 2100 one uses NJM4560, I think. But I'm not quite sure.
The most recent MDX2100s (before they discontinued it) has NJM4580s, the chips that they use all over the place now, not only at B*ringer. That's the one that measures best, but I actually prefer the modded NE5532 one.
 
Would you say the 1537 is better than say DBX1252 or newer THAT2150 or 2180? The 1537 isn't compatible with DBX/THAT chips, is it?
 
nope, no direct compability - the 1537 is a 14-pin DIL where the DBX's are 8-pin SIL's.

IMO, the 1537-compressors sounds MUCH better than the later 2155-equipped dynamics cards.

Related:

1537 data:
http://www.gyraf.dk/schematics/Aphex_1537A_VCA.pdf

SSL 82E14 /w 1537 VCA:
http://www.gyraf.dk/tmp/82E14.pdf

Jakob E.
 
Thanks for the PDFs. Damn, now I want get one of those 1537 equipped MDX2000s. Probably have to buy a couple before I find the right one.

@Henk: what's the serial number and date code on yours?
 
Hey Rossi

Did not know that there are so many different mdx2000 , you got allready 3 type's i have 2 type's , how many different type's are really build by behringer would be interesting to know.
They dont give any answer on that here and per email.

The 4 we have are build in cases and are not easy to build outside it with all the cable work inside that case.
I will try to get then and wil write them here.

But rossi , try to put in lm7818/lm7918 and you will get a new sound from an old composer. also changs the opamp near the mta1537/ssm2018 seen from the backside only (probebly 4ic's) dont change them from the mta1537 /ssm2018 to the front (the only do the envelop) , and are not so inportend. change them to opa2604 or make pcb for 2xopa2604 in smd that will fit the behringer037(027) dont know witch one the 14 pin dip is but one of these 2 must sit next to the mta1537/ssm2018.
If you need the layout of the pcb in gerber , i can give you that , just give me your email and i will send them to you (dubbelside it is).
You also have to change the trafo to get more power and higher voltage!!!
 
Well the three different ones that I have are MDX2100. I only have one MDX2000 and that one has a DBX chip similar to the ones in the MDX2100. So I suppose my 2000 is a fairly late one, just before they introduced the 2100.

I don't know about the voltage thing. It shouldn't make such a huge difference except a little more headroom. You're right about the opamps; they do make a difference, especially the dual one next to the VCA. I still wish I had a datasheet for those BE-Opamps. I hate to take out somthing and not really know what I replace. The quad opamp doesn't make a whole lot of diffence. I changed that one also in the unit that had this cheapo BA4558 dual opamp. The quad they used in that one was an awful ultra cheap opamp, something like a 741 quad version. I changed that one to a TL084. Not the greatest opamp in the world, but usually more than okay. It made absolutely no difference. I suppose that one is only used in the sidechain circuit. One of these days I'll get some MC33079s and try those, but I don't suppose they will make a difference either.

But I might experiment further with the dual opamp. Maybe OPA2604. But the NE5532 is fine, acutally. I'd like to try the NJM2114, which is a kind of supercharged NE5532. But it's not an easily available part. Profusion has them, so I think I'm going to get some when I need other stuff they have (THAT chips for instance).

A very easy mod, btw, is to make a low cut for the sidechain. You can either build a special cable with a small cap in series that you plug into sidechain send+return. Or, if you don't need an external sidechain anyways, you can simply solder a small cap to the sidechain switch. I tried several values and settled on 0.01µ. A WIMA MKS-02 will fit easily under the PCB. The low cut keeps the comp from pumping, because the it now doesn't react to bass frequencies as much anymore. The later MDX2200 has one built in, many other compressors, too.

I'm also working on a small circuit that allows you to switch from feed forward (normal) to feedback operation. You can actually do that with just cables from output to sidechain input (provided you haven't done the caps mod I just outlined). Feedback mode sounds more musical, but is a bit slower and less precise. The circuit is also meant to cure the false stereo linking. I don't know if you've noticed: when channels are linked, the MDX2000 really only reacts to the left channel, not the stereo sum. B*ringer corrected that in the MDX2100.

The gerber file would be very nice (have to get a program that can read it, though). Do you have a schematic, too?
My address is XXX [edit: address deleted for spam reasons]

I'm gone for hollidays now and won't post before next week or so.

Merry Christmas everyone!
 
Hey Rossi

Have a merry xmas and a happy newyear!

The different in opamps like opa2604 and tl084 are that you have 6v toptop more output + very good sound instead of a bad sound with tl084.
The type of behringer BE027/037 are transistor input and no fet! so watch out for that differents. So the mc33079 could work better then the tl084.
The sound will completly different with the opa2604 than what you have now , you should try it to build one the way i told you and an old one you still have with no changes. You will hear a curtain going away!
Special the kne in the compressor will stop pumping and will work better than many more expencive compressors , the mdx2000/2100 are the last good one's behringer did make so keep them and change them and you will enjoy the sound that is comming out.
Will send you the fill as one fill , not 3 different one's.
 
Have found MTA1537 in The Black Market in this forum. Have asked for 12 pieces ceramic , the best quality , not the plastic.
Will write when i get them and test them.
Can't wait.........
 
Cool, I'm glad you found them. How much were they? Guessing from the datasheet this is a very interesting chip. Too bad it's discontinued!
 
The normal (plastic) $5 and the ceramic $6 of the MTA1537, ask greg boboski at gboboski(at)shaw(dot)ca for further information. He is also in The Black Market in this forum , go to search , fill in 1537 and will see that he is in there.

I am still waiting for the app notes he has , but he want to put them somewhere on the net , dont know where?
 
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