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[ruffrecords]

Hi Ian

i know there is a so long thread about here ,
but , please Ian , if you like ,
could you tell me who really want Uk Brexit ?
most of the UK common people
or the famous 1% that push behind for .

There is a lot of history to this and many older people who lived through it voted for Brexit. The UK first applied to join the Common Market, as it was called then, in 1961. But Charles De Gaulle, still very bitter by how he had been treated by the UK government during WWII, blocked it. It was not until  de Gaulle died in 1970 the the UK applied again and was soon accepted. You have to remember that at this time the British Commonwealth was an important factor in the UK economy. Much of our lamb and butter came from New Zealand, most of our wheat came from Canada, sugar from Jamaica and so on. Trade terms were favourable and these items were cheap. When we joined the Common Market, it seemed we turned our back on the Commonwealth for which they have probably not forgiven us. The result was immediate price rises in basic goods like bread and butter. Not many years later, due to the stupidity of the Common Agricultural Policy, Europe ended up with huge surpluses of butter and wine, called a wine lake and butter mountain at the time much of which was sold off below cost or given away. People were beginning to dislike being in Europe..In the following years, the European powers, now known to be residing in Brussels, began to bring a raft of measures that did not go down well in the UK They seemed to be nibbling away at everything that is British. We now have to weigh everything in metric. It is illegal to use scales calibrated in pounds weight. Our sausages were deemed not to be sausages. There were similar attacks on our cheeses. There were many more examples. Not one was important on its own but. More and more rules and regulations came down from Brussels. In the meantime many of our fishermen lost the rights to their traditional fishing grounds and they had to share them with other European fisherman resulting in the decline of the fishing industry. Then there is immigration. When we joined the Common Market the Treaty Of Rome stated anyone could go to work in any other European country provided they had been recruited to work there. Over the years this was morphed into anyone cane live anywhere in Europe whether they have a job or not. And then there is the whole question of how the Common Market has been gradually changed into the European Union and how its ultimate goal is a federal European government.

There are plenty more examples like this. The point is a lot of people my age (over 60) feel that joining the Common Market has been nothing but bad news . In the last 40 years they feel Britain has prospered despite the EU not because of it. Brits have always valued their sovereignty and many feel it has been eroded too far. We don't take kindly to people trying to curb our freedoms.

Cheers

ian

 

[SIXTYNINER]

In the last 40 years they feel Britain has prospered despite the EU not because of it.
Brits have always valued their sovereignty and many feel it has been eroded too far.
We don't take kindly to people trying to curb our freedoms.
Cheers
ian

It sound so similar to many other nations now inside EU
everyone was better before ?
(Germany apart ? )

The fundamental problem for which he had to start with being a European federation
and when the fundamentals would have been very similar among the member states
then  become union

but in that way the 1% would not have much room for maneuver for his intentions ?
(in the discord chaos the opportunist  can act more easily ? )

with Bruxell headquarters
it is incomparably how much simple and fast
for the 1% dominate at the same time over dozens of nations
and take possession of small-medium-large sources of wealth
subtracting them from the natives with laws made specifically for them

you mentioned as example something about butter

and just to talk about the milk  that come a lot from east EU,
where many nations did not even know what the milk big collection and processing centers were ,

why they have made that law to shut down and stop many healthy and quality milk west EU producers ?
and today lot of milk come from that east EU
transported with big tankers and mixed with that produced in west EU
(to confuse any investigations ? )

it is not true that there in the land where the grass grows and that the cows eat
still persists the presence of highly toxic substances post-Tchernobyl explosion  ?

only because they pay much less than the milk produced on west EU ?

and still we all wait that law
that requires writing on the food products packaging the origin of the raw material ,

and the "clowns" ?
always answer that they have more important things on the agenda ,

always the same system for millennia
until the herd will break the fences  ?

what a 5 stars civil world
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sorry for out of topic ,

back about outboards

after Behringer clones
what will be next ?

cheers

 

[JohnRoberts]

so much probable that the next war will be against the robots

but workers  against the robots ?

or something like
common people  against the 1% ?
similar to what happened in France with the grip of the bastille

cheers

Science fiction has anticipated this in multiple accounts. Some science fiction is just history that could but hasn't happened yet.

FWIW the humans don't do well*** against the robot revolution... but must win in the end to provide a happy ending for human entertainment.

JR

**** I used to be irritated by some early science fiction on TV where the robot soldiers were all lousy shots?  :. It seems a robot weapon targeting system should be superior to a human's. Why design robot soldiers who can't hit obvious targets (perhaps for entertainment value, campy but unrealistic)?

 

[ruffrecords]

It sound so similar to many other nations now inside EU
everyone was better before ?
(Germany apart ? )

What was before was WWI and WWI. Quite rightly, politicians of all nations were desperate to ensure WWII did not happen and with the USSR having the bomb there was an even stronger motive to unite both militarily and economically. So it is easy to understand the motives that led to the creation of the Common Market and it could have been a very good thing, making Europe a powerhouse to equal the Untied States. Unfortunately it got hijacked by corrupt power crazy unelected individuals who have turned into a tool for lining their own pockets with money, influence and power. It is a shame because it is a great opportunity missed. Hopefully the break up of the EU will lead to a more sensible cooperation that prevents concentrating power in the hands of the unelected.

Cheers

Ian

 

[living sounds]

Ian,

there's truth to a lot of what you say, but the narrative that all of today's ills are caused by the EU is just that.

Britain is an industrialized modern economy, so the production of fish and sausages may be important to the national identity, but it's not a driver of the economy.

Economic inequality in Britain today has a lot to do with the adoption of Chicago-school economics ("Thatcherism" ) in the 80s.  Unlike in many other European countries, banking became a major factor in the economy. And a huge banking sector is the perfect tool for redistribution to the top.

Brits adopted bad food production and consumption policies and habits from the US more intensely and long before the rest of Europe did. It's what the big food conglomerates wanted and the Torys made possible, it didn't come from Bureaucrats in Brussels.

Immigration is probably what alienates many people as much or more than econonomic disparities though. But again, a lot of the immigrants came from countries outside the EU and followed the Commonwealth route (like Indians and Pakistanis).

The current anti-globalist sentiment is (ironically) a global phenomenon, and it's based on the trifacta of economic inequality, rapid modernisation (changes in societal norms, like gay marriage) combined with the influx of people with different ethnic background.

The solution however is not nationalism, but policies to decrease economic inequality. If people feel they participate economically, they can usually tolerate modernisation and diversity. And benefit from both.

 

[ruffrecords]

Ian,

there's truth to a lot of what you say, but the narrative that all of today's ills are caused by the EU is just that.

That is not what I said.

Cheers

Ian

 

[JohnRoberts]

That is not what I said.

Cheers

Ian

Don't confuse this with facts...

The common EU currency was great for commerce but creates other distortions since the nations have different economic policies. We have discussed this before...

UK is unlikely to get a warm embrace but low friction trade should be good for both... so I am optimistic they will work it out, but negotiations are rarely what they appear from a distance, through the lens of an excitable media... 

JR

 

[ruffrecords]

Don't confuse this with facts...
JR

Oops, sorry, I forgot this is politics.

Cheers

Ian

 

[Banzai]

It is a shame because it is a great opportunity missed. Hopefully the break up of the EU will lead to a more sensible cooperation that prevents concentrating power in the hands of the unelected.

Brexit could become the defining reason why the rest of the bloc never breaks up: you're already the slowest growing economy in the EU & G20, and you haven't even left.

I don't even believe Brexit would survive a second referendum.

 

[ruffrecords]

Brexit could become the defining reason why the rest of the bloc never breaks up: you're already the slowest growing economy in the EU & G20, and you haven't even left.

There is no need to get personal. I am not the UK.

Cheers

Ian

 

[Banzai]

There is no need to get personal. I am not the UK.

?

When we joined the Common Market, it seemed we turned our back on the Commonwealth for which they have probably not forgiven us.

That's just one example of you referring to the UK as we.

But simply pointing out, you're taking a huge leap by stating the EU breaking up is some kind of a done deal.

It's not.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Making arguments personal seems a recent strategy (probably isn't).

If not against the letter of the rules certainly against the spirit...

It is always calmer to talk about facts.

JR

 

[Banzai]

*** FACT ***

Since the Brexit vote, the UK has become the slowest growing economy in the EU, and the G20.

/ end fact

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Better?  ???

Truth is, it doesn't matter how you present facts.
Someone will still take it personally, or dismiss it as an opinion, because it doesn't match their own opinions or 'facts'.

You're just as prone to it as everyone else.

 

[ruffrecords]

*** FACT ***

Since the Brexit vote, the UK has become the slowest growing economy in the EU, and the G20.

/ end fact

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Better?  ???

Truth is, it doesn't matter how you present facts.
Someone will still take it personally, or dismiss it as an opinion, because it doesn't match their own opinions or 'facts'.

You're just as prone to it as everyone else.

It is unfortunate that the second person singular and plural are identical in English (you/you) so it is hard to determine which you meant in your unlike the first person singular (I/we). I am sure you did not mean it personally, I just read it that way.

Actually what you said is two facts not one. The UK has voted for Brexit and the UK economy is currently the slowest growing in the G20. The way you phrased it implies there is a causal link between the two which may or may not exist. Another fact is that since  the Brexit vote, growth has slowed in the whole EU. Perhaps we are to blame for that also?

Clearly the separation will not be painless but of course that is not the point.

Cheers

Ian

 

[r2d2]

I've seen the wholesale prices of chinese knockoffs. The prices of these Klark Teknik clones are really hard to comprehend. They are well-built, use good transformers, quality control seems to be in place and they sound good. 200 EUR for such a Pultec clone including tax and 2 year warranty can't be beat by anyone, not even DIYers. It must be a problem for all the clone manufacturers.

Wow    only 200 euro for a pultec ?
so incredible
how it is possible ?

it can be a diyers attack ?
cheers