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Ptownkid

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I tried to star ground my green pre and it made things waaaaaay worse.

I hooked the ins and outs together and then to the ground on the ac filter, why would this cause noise?

Anyone in canada have any trouble with this style of grounding?
 
A general rule (and there really are not any rules for grounding, just a lot of perspiration and experimentation) is that the input signal star ground should be as close to the input jacks as possible, and the bias points (cathode resistors in tube sircuits) and driver stage, and pwr supply cap grounds should be star grounded close to your chassis ground, which should be earthed. (green wire on pwr cord).

Give that a try.

cj
 
If you hooked the input and output jack grounds together and then connected them to a master ground through a common wire, that's not a star ground. The term "star" is a graphic description of individual connections radiating from a common point. Input and output sharing a ground return is about the worse thing you could do. Try connecting the jacks to your ground point using individual wires for each and see if that clears up your problem.

Star grounding is often undertaken as an overkill measure. There's a widespread lack of understanding of the mechanisms that cause hum and noise, and star grounding is a quick-fix that works much of the time. If you envision your ground paths as a bunch of small resistors in series between your components and an arbitrary "master" ground then it becomes easier to understand. Remember that current flow through a resistance results in a voltage drop which, when it appears in series with your signal, is known as noise. The greater the current flow, the greater the voltage drop and the greater the amplitude of noise voltage that appears in series with the signal.

Returning every single point in a circuit through its own wire to a common ground will usually prevent the problem, but again, it's kind of an extreme approach that could be avoided with careful and knowledgeable layout.
 
Hooking the grounds of the ins and outs together can cause a ground loop, as Dave suggested. In my experience, it just depends on the PCB layout. After I wired up my APIs, I had a huge ground loop. After a closer look, it was obvious what I did, so I fixed it.
 

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