the tone is in the iron... RightMark told me so

[Handcrafted Tone]

[quote author="mediatechnology"]Rob: Bear with me on the Jim Williams stuff. Have found it. Need to warm up the scanner.

I think I've seen the Emu 1212 at Fry's.[/quote]

Thanks! take your time, i won't be taking any more samples until my ebay computer comes in.

 

[Handcrafted Tone]

I found some RightMark test results of the Emu-1212M and they look damn good. Unfortunately,

When operating at 96 kHz and 192 kHz, the E-MU Digital Audio System does not support the Steinberg ASIO Multimedia or DirectSound/MME drivers. You should NOT attempt to use these drivers when running at these sample rates. At 96 kHz and 192 kHz, we recommend you only use the E-MU ASIO driver

but check this out, in real world situations the Emu (24/48) actually outperformed the LynxTwo (24/96) in dynamic range, THD, IMD, and stereo crosstalk. It has slightly higher noise floor (-113.6db!) and slightly less accurate frequency response.

see it for yourself
http://www.fixup.net/products/benchmarks/1212m2448.htm
http://audio.rightmark.org/test/lynx-two-b-2496.html

yeah it's not 120db dynamic range, but I think I can live with 113.3

 

[Rossi]

[quote author="clintrubber"]
While I don't want to spoil the warm feeling that all those numbers may give, note that for soundcards more than a few times a tiny small line is added @ the specs that the given figures are the converter-specs.

So most likely measured on a near optimal test-PCB away from all nasty noises.

So the whole application (ICs on PCB in or near PC-hell) will never be as good. How good is difficult to tell since the exact environment a customer is using a soundcard in can't be predicted exactly.

[/quote]

Hey Peter, you're right. Generally speaking. But the Emus really measure (and sound) that good. :grin: The 1212m, surprisingly, is just a little bit worse than the external 1820m. The ones without the "m" have different converter chips. I'm glad I got a 1820m before Emu discontinued them, I think for Pb reasons.

 

[clintrubber]

[quote author="Rossi"]Hey Peter, you're right. Generally speaking. But the Emus really measure (and sound) that good. :grin: The 1212m, surprisingly, is just a little bit worse than the external 1820m. The ones without the "m" have different converter chips. I'm glad I got a 1820m before Emu discontinued them, I think for Pb reasons.[/quote]
Good to hear that ! Always nice when the good stuff (specs & the rest) is as much preserved as possible when it comes to the complete thing :thumb:

 

[NewYorkDave]

Ah, just grab a spare Crown D75 and build out the output impedance (as needed) with resistors. You do have a spare D75 sitting around, don't you? :wink:

 

[Handcrafted Tone]

wow, my new EMU-1212M is bad ass. I just did a loop through, check out these specks:

http://handcraftedtone.com/xfer/RightMark/EMU-1212M.htm

I'm looking forward to testing some gear soon.

 

[Handcrafted Tone]

I got mine at zZounds.com.

It's advertised at zZounds to come with a firewire port in one of the cards, but this one didn't. I'll call tomorrow to see why.

 

[Bauman]

I got one too, kick azz board. Can you set it to 192Khz on Right Mark to have an extended frequence response plot? never tried mine with RMMA...

cheers!
Fabio

 

[mhelin]

[quote author="Bauman"]I got one too, kick azz board. Can you set it to 192Khz on Right Mark to have an extended frequence response plot? never tried mine with RMMA...

cheers!
Fabio[/quote]

First set the sample rate in PatchMix. Little bit clumsy but it is how it works.

 

[SSLtech]

I'd assumed that the digital oversampling ones may perform some higher-order digital pre-filtering, and that this can easily be opened up, but that is partially supposition, and partially a shallow grasp of how it's done, so it may well add up to a small heap o' nuthin.

Keith

 

[Handcrafted Tone]

[quote author="Bauman"]I got one too, kick azz board. Can you set it to 192Khz on Right Mark to have an extended frequence response plot? never tried mine with RMMA...

cheers!
Fabio[/quote]

You can not use 192 sample rate in RightMark with this card. It looks like you can, but I read somewhere that it's fooling the software to make it "just work"

The only way to get high res out of this card is using the ASIO drivers, that are not supported by RightMark. So you have to generate the calabration/test files in rightmark, inport into a DAW, record the test, then import back into rightmark.

I'll try it when I get home from work.


P.S. the 1212M internal "mixer" software is a little strange at first, but there is a preset built in for RMAA.

 

[mhelin]

[quote author="Handcrafted Tone"]
P.S. the 1212M internal "mixer" software is a little strange at first, but there is a preset built in for RMAA.[/quote]

Last night I tried set up my 1820M (with the same mixer software) to work with Audua Speakerworkshop (from http://www.audua.com site) to measure some inductors (to convert 3.5 mH to 2.7 mH for some crossovers I'm building). In the end got it working. It is also possible to route the output from Wave Out directly to Wave In in the mixer software, using the (internal loopback) configuration would make nice benchmarks in RMAA

 

[tommypiper]

[quote author="Handcrafted Tone"]I can't believe this has happening... I think I ... nooooo!!!! ... I think I'm becoming a PC guy. DAMN YOU GATES!

My job bought me a new PC laptop. I still love my Mac G5 as a rock solid PT system, but I haven't used it for anything else in a month. [/quote]

If it's not too late, Rob, and anyone listening, all (yes, I said all models) of the new MACS RUN WINDOWS. No kidding. You don't need to buy two machines. Macs run on Intel chips and you can run Windows natively on them and they are fast as hell.

You have two options: you can do it with 1) dual boot (free), or 2) emulation via a company called Parallels (which gets great reviews, $80). The dual boot allows you to start your computer with either native Windows or native Mac OS. This is via Apples "Boot Camp". Or you can use the Parallels which runs Windows inside its own window within the Mac OS, allowing you to have both operating systems and apps running simultaneously, which makes copy and pasting data and files very easy.

At the bottom end is the $500 Mac Mini, a very decent Intel Mac/PC. At top end the Mac Pros are the best priced Windows pro tower computer out there, the fastest, and over a $1,000 cheaper than like configured Dull boxes. Plus you get Mac OS and all the free Apple software free.

If you want to use a Mac and a PC, it's crazy to buy two machines. Just get a Mac. Plus they run Linux.

 

[Larrchild]

Maybe this will help:

http://www.asio4all.com/

ASIO wrapper.

 

[Handcrafted Tone]

[quote author="Larrchild"]Maybe this will help:

http://www.asio4all.com/

ASIO wrapper.
[/quote]


Thanks Larrchild, I'll give it a try.

[quote author="mhelin"]it is also possible to route the output from Wave Out directly to Wave In in the mixer software, using the (internal loopback) configuration would make nice benchmarks in RMAA [/quote]

Yeah sure does! I wish these were real.

http://handcraftedtone.com/xfer/RightMark/InternalLoopback.htm

 

[Larrchild]

I was sitting here one day, with my Protools 002r connected via Firewire to the PC and going "Why do I use the PC's onboard sound device to listen to PC stuff like MP3's?"
Which was a good question.
Anyway I got that=) Now I use the 002r's ch1 and ch2 .

 

[AMZ-FX]

[quote author="edanderson"]well, AP filed for a patent on their output stage, so:

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat4614914.pdf
[/quote]

FWIW, that patent has now expired....

regards, Jack