I think the kits going on the Black Market forum is a reasonable solution. Ron, I respect your feelings about this. I think some people (me, for instance) have a very hard time separating their business from the rest of their lives. I feel very fortunate (most of the time) to have been able to make my passion my living. So when Steve grows a new business, a DIY project in every sense, I'm fascinated with his progress as I am with the path that led you to draw that beautiful layout. I wish I'd had it when I built my LA-2A. I've been involved with manufacturing audio gear on a small scale, helping a friend get a company off the ground. It's a brutally hard path for anyone to take, and I feel that encouraging and discussing members' new businesses is an appropriate use of the forum. And hopefully helping members' new businesses be successful. Maybe the line needs to be drawn when a tangible product is offered. Then it should move to the other forum.