History..... rhymes?

[sodderboy]

Fox News? What rubbish! I have not had feevee or freevee for over a decade.
If ya wanna talk Jan 6, those folks have been held WITHOUT BAIL PENDING TRIAL.
Is that going on with any hajis or marxist agitators? Are they being hunted by our Top Cops years later?
Fox News!!
And you actually agree with me but have to drop Faux News as well because you can’t just. . . agree with me.
Thank you! We’re truly getting somewhere. I’d totally be buyin’ off the bar (sugar minott) if this were physical.
Mike

 

[cyrano]

this guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_O'Keefe

Yep. That's him. I know of him because of his engagement in marine ecology.

 

[cyrano]

glad we determined that, it seems like laws are not being enforced consistently

If you're a simpleton, that seems quite rational. In reality, it's not. In most cases, there are aggravating or diminishing circumstances. The clearest example is self defense in cases of violence.

It's a typical puritan mistake. Reality isn't binary.

We've had a case recently, where a catholic deacon was sentenced to 27 years in prison for five murders. Nothing special, if you don't take into account these were mercy killings. Three of the five were loved ones, old and suffering from incurable disease causing endless pain. That pain had been present for years and morphine no longer could suppress it. How long is the caretaker supposed to watch their loved ones suffer?

Another one was one of his palliative patients, who had been in terrible pain for years and was at the end of pain-relief treatment.

These murders occurred before there was legislation allowing MDs to terminate life in case of extreme suffering. Today, these patients could have asked for an end to their suffering.

Of course, puritans also deny patients the right to end their own life because of religious dogma's. "God gives life and he's the only one that can take it away", is often heard. I've seen a few of these puritan's change their opinion once it was their spouse, child, or parent who was suffering. Besides, if god gives life, why does he also hand out massive suffering, usually to those who don't deserve it?

And then we end up with the beginning of any case: arrest by police. I have a feeling being a police person in the USA isn't paid enough. It's very dangerous, thanks to the omnipresence of guns and the willingness of most to use them. It's also ridiculously easy to frame anyone due to unjust legislation that sometimes differs a lot between states. And it's seldom justice in the eyes of the press and casual observers. Add a defective education system, and only the rich can find justice. There are literally thousands of examples of people who spent time in jail while being completely innocent. And it is clear that being black doesn't take you any closer to justice...

Justice isn't simple. And the way it is reported by the media doesn't help to make it any clearer.

 

[JohnRoberts]

If you're a simpleton, that seems quite rational.

who me? Look like you are coming up with new pejoratives. I'll pass.

JR

In reality, it's not. In most cases, there are aggravating or diminishing circumstances. The clearest example is self defense in cases of violence.

It's a typical puritan mistake. Reality isn't binary.

We've had a case recently, where a catholic deacon was sentenced to 27 years in prison for five murders. Nothing special, if you don't take into account these were mercy killings. Three of the five were loved ones, old and suffering from incurable disease causing endless pain. That pain had been present for years and morphine no longer could suppress it. How long is the caretaker supposed to watch their loved ones suffer?

Another one was one of his palliative patients, who had been in terrible pain for years and was at the end of pain-relief treatment.

These murders occurred before there was legislation allowing MDs to terminate life in case of extreme suffering. Today, these patients could have asked for an end to their suffering.

Of course, puritans also deny patients the right to end their own life because of religious dogma's. "God gives life and he's the only one that can take it away", is often heard. I've seen a few of these puritan's change their opinion once it was their spouse, child, or parent who was suffering. Besides, if god gives life, why does he also hand out massive suffering, usually to those who don't deserve it?

And then we end up with the beginning of any case: arrest by police. I have a feeling being a police person in the USA isn't paid enough. It's very dangerous, thanks to the omnipresence of guns and the willingness of most to use them. It's also ridiculously easy to frame anyone due to unjust legislation that sometimes differs a lot between states. And it's seldom justice in the eyes of the press and casual observers. Add a defective education system, and only the rich can find justice. There are literally thousands of examples of people who spent time in jail while being completely innocent. And it is clear that being black doesn't take you any closer to justice...

Justice isn't simple. And the way it is reported by the media doesn't help to make it any clearer.

 

[jabe]

I have a feeling being a police person in the USA isn't paid enough. It's very dangerous, thanks to the omnipresence of guns and the willingness of most to use them.

Depends on what you mean by "very". It's not even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs. There is danger, of course, but despite the rhetoric it's less hazardous than pizza delivery, and pays a lot more.
Meanwhile, even in the liberal hellscape of Chicago (which still exists despite some assuring us it burned completely to the ground during the so-called riots of tge last few years), joining an extremist group is not grounds for dismissal.

 

[cyrano]

Depends on what you mean by "very". It's not even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs. There is danger, of course, but despite the rhetoric it's less hazardous than pizza delivery, and pays a lot more.

Really? That's news to me.

Meanwhile, even in the liberal hellscape of Chicago (which still exists despite some assuring us it burned completely to the ground during the so-called riots of tge last few years), joining an extremist group is not grounds for dismissal.

Of course it is not. Personal freedom in one's private life is real, I suppose?

Now I don't know how the oathkeepers are being labelled. Terrorists? At least they're no commies.

 

[Tubetec]

History rhymes ?
thats rose tinted glasses ,
History repeats the same mistakes over and over ,
Just as Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews , and so now the Jews have passed the parcel of genocidal hate down the line onto the Palestinians ,
You only have to look at the coverage of the middle eastern situation from a few different perspectives to see clearly the bias .
But many Americans are so cock sure its the its the leader of the free world its hardly worth wasting breath trying to change the brainwashed's point of view anymore .

 

[sodderboy]

Just as Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews , and so now the Jews have passed the parcel of genocidal hate down the line onto the Palestinians

You really typed this. You really did.
This has to be a wind up, you cannot actually believe this.
Mike

 

[Tubetec]

Yes Mike I typed it ,
The darkest episodes in mankinds misdeads go round like a broken record ,
800 years of tyranical rule under the crown of England ,thats why the IRA exist ,
the Zionist state of Israel caused the need for Hamas to arise ,
just the same as the so called war on terror feathers the nest of Isis .

 

[Matador]

Wow...if youve caused Soddeboy to question your coherency you really need to examine your position.

 

[cyrano]

History rhymes ?
thats rose tinted glasses ,
History repeats the same mistakes over and over ,
Just as Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews , and so now the Jews have passed the parcel of genocidal hate down the line onto the Palestinians ,
You only have to look at the coverage of the middle eastern situation from a few different perspectives to see clearly the bias .

True. The only genocide ever that was successful in erasing an entire people from the map, has produced Romania. No way to pass on anything. All others have had retaliation one or two generations later. That way, the problem never ends, much to the liking of the military industry.

But many Americans are so cock sure its the its the leader of the free world its hardly worth wasting breath trying to change the brainwashed's point of view anymore .

You shouldn't blame Americans. Their incoming data stream is so heavily filtered, it's worse than the CCPs Great FireWall. Even much worse.

Sometimes, it's great to be small nation. Nobody takes notice. Our press isn't great, but it's largely free of [external] filtering and manipulation. And efforts to introduce propaganda channels haven't been successful. Even when high in Google news, nobody seems to read/view them.

BTW, Google finally had to admit they manipulate search results. For a buck, never anything else. Yeah, right. Has everyone forgotten Google was partially bankrolled by the CIA? That news didn't appear in any US media yet. Of course, you can TRY googling it

 

[sodderboy]

Show me anything close to pits where people have been shot like dogs, layered with piney boughs, from “The Cedars of Lebanon” perhaps, burnt, and buried.
You write your words, and by doing so exhibit not even a minimum of understanding of which you write.
Perhaps you have never visited a camp or a pit in Germany or Poland, or the Holy Land?
Mike

 

[Tubetec]

I have passed closeby several German camps setup in Holland and Belgium during WW2 but never went inside ,
Ive also visited war memorials ,mostly in northern France , but also in Russia .

We of course had our own holocaust here in Ireland , known as the great famine , many of the buildings that were once workhouses still exist to this day , there is also mass graves that still stand testament to the lives lost ,

Its hard to estimate exact numbers as oficial population counts will include some who were either transported or left for the UK or the new world of Austrailia and America , the population was reduced from a peak of around 8.5 million in the 1840's to under 6 million by the 1860's .
People were systematically removed from their lands , impoverished , left uneducated , and finally faced with the choice of starve to death or leave the country .

In many ways Mike , the plight of the Palestinian people now is similar to what the Irish faced in the 1840's .
Should we be silent until the death toll reaches into the millions again ?
At what point exactly does willful starvation with genocidal intent become actual genocide ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_population_of_Ireland

 

[JohnRoberts]

Looks like NBC fell for the fake news. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/jewish-student-recounts-injury-during-ucla-protest/3402539/ She withheld her last name so it might be difficult to fact check.
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It looks like President Biden delivered on his promise to unify everybody including protestors.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/anti-...l-counterprotesters-embarrassing-moment-biden

Pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protesters briefly united with chants against President Joe Biden at the University of Alabama on Wednesday. But this clip is hosted by fox news so may be fake.

heres another copy https://www.mediaite.com/politics/u...ael-protestors-chant-fck-joe-biden-in-unison/

I apologize to any here offended by off color language.

JR

 

[Tubetec]

Coverage of the situation in Israel and Palestine in the UK media is horrendously biased , I suspect its just the same for the most part in the USA ,
The day after the Hamas attack I saw a Sky news segment , where an Israeli woman layed blame for the attack on the its own government and security forces turning a blind eye , this was followed moments later with a statement from the British government , unequivocally re-itterating its support for Israel .

Is it your own off colour language your appologising for or someone elses John ?

 

[fallout]

Seems you are correct. Turns out the "girl beaten unconscious" story wasn't actually true and has been debunked.

Granted, I did read about this early on and said as much. Perhaps it was debunked. Curious what major outlet / journalist ‘debunked’ it thought?

Reddit? Haha

 

[Matador]

Pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protesters briefly united with chants against President Joe Biden at the University of Alabama on Wednesday.

I find this super interesting. What is the alternative? Vote for Trump, the guy who moved the embassy, says the Palestine protestors "are full of hate", filled with "professional agitators", and how the police activity at Columbia University was "a beautiful thing to watch"?

 

[fallout]

Ypu can dump on reddit, but do you realize the original source of the story was IG from an account named ThatKoreanJew? The thing shouldn't have needed debunking, it should have been verified before everyone ran with it making up whatever narrative they were pushing.

I’m not dumping on Reddit, per se but I am laughing because if I were ever to use ‘reddit’ or Twitter as a ‘source’ here in the Brewery it’d be deemed a laughable source by the ‘usual suspects’.

Anyway, I don’t agree with the pro Palestinian protestors but they have every right to protest. The plywood barriers/encampment were a bit silly and asking for trouble, IMHO.

The police failed to do their duty.

 

[fallout]

So just like a girl who dresses a certain way is asking for trouble too huh?

Let me get this straight, you’re comparing a girl dressing provocatively and protesters building an encampment?

Don't you see that is a ridiculous take?

Yes, your take is ridiculous. I dont see how building an encampment during a protest can lead to anything good. However, I can see how a girl dressing provocatively (advertising) can. At least that’s been my experience. Call me old-fashioned I hope you have a sense of humor.

I don't agree with everything either, but from my perspective what I see from you and many others is a seemingly lack of concern for actual transgressions.

Projecting.

Thugs beating on peaceful protesters... no big deal.

Projecting.

Slaughter of innocents overseas....no big deal.

I see a pattern!

But put up some tents and plywood.... no we can't have that and it must be eradicated.

No we can't.. the police should’ve sorted that right out. What’s the need for plywood barriers during a ‘peaceful’ protest and what's the connection with a girl dressing provocatively? To get noticed/provoke? The bullhorns, flags and chants aren't enough? Protesters need to build barriers? Give me a break.

I guess we know who's buying the plywood.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/...s-columbia-university-funding-donors-00156135

 

[Tubetec]

You might be right John12ax7 , not sure it has anything to do with the fact its an electronics forum though .
Its still a good place to bounce ideas around and see who's arguments withstand scrutiny .

I standby my previous comments but Im always willing to listen to other peoples perspectives , even ones I dont share .