team politics talking points.

[Matador]

I’m simply trying to see if we can eliminate originalism out of the 2nd Amendment argument since it seems to no longer apply.

Originalism can only ever be eliminated from the parts of the Constitution that clash with conservative ideology.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Being held up at gunpoint TWICE at my dad's business changed my views about the right to bear arms at a fairly young age.

No doubt that clarified your thoughts about self defense.

I've never been a victim of armed robbery but I once had a knife pulled on me back in the 60s... (I managed to back away from that punk.)

The unalienable right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness might cover breathing and preventing the stoppage of same.

JR

 

[Recording Engineer]

Assert your scenario. It seems apparent to me that an armed populace is a valid deterrent to tyranny to this day. You've not made the contrary case.

Again, pick your scenario. You’ve not made your case either; only what seems apparent to you.

 

[rob_gould]

Liberal policies. No thanks.

What are the liberal policies in the USA which mean drug addicts end up on the streets?

I'd have expected in countries with programs and facilities like free access to health care, mental health services, hostels, shelters, needle exchanges etc (broadly speaking, the things I believe most people think of when they think of 'liberal' attitudes toward drug addition and drug addicts) to have fewer addicts on the streets, rather than more.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Again, pick your scenario. You’ve not made your case either; only what seems apparent to you.

You asserted it's pointless. Show us how and why.

 

[Recording Engineer]

You’re asking the wrong guy. I pointed out where to look. Regardless, it’s taken us off base, because regardless of what the scenario is - QAnon, stolen election, race war, tin foil hat, you name it, it absolutely does not matter.

Edit:
Armed militias’ arms is a joke in today’s world against the the federal government’s arms. True or False?

Even then, really, arms is beside the point:
When was the last time an armed militia has been success against the federal government?

 

[AnalogPackrat]

You’re asking the wrong guy. I pointed out where to look. Regardless, it’s taken us off base, because regardless of what the scenario is - QAnon, stolen election, race war, tin foil hat, you name it, it absolutely does not matter.

Yes, the non-answer attempt to smear. Whatever.

Edit:
Armed militias’ arms is a joke in today’s world against the the federal government’s arms. True or False?

False.

Even then, really, arms is beside the point:
When was the last time an armed militia has been success against the federal government?

Read my lips: deterrence. Every day.

 

[fallout]

What are the liberal policies in the USA which mean drug addicts end up on the streets?

We’re talking about San Francisco.. Allowing drug use in public and vagrancy in general, for starters..

 

[scott2000]

What's confusing to me , because of my ignorance on the subject of guns apart from being beat /"whipped"with one, is how many deaths are we talking about? Trying to make the solid connection in my mind as to how certain deadly things in circulation attract more fervor to do away with than others and it's creating more confusion if not adding up at all. We the People are armed to protect ourselves from the other We The People?

 

[Recording Engineer]

You’re

Yes, the non-answer attempt to smear. Whatever.


False.

Read my lips: deterrence. Every day.

Never mind. We can’t seem get on the same page for a reasonable discussion.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Current US Law for those of you who can't accept the Bill of Rights for some reason.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

 

[iturnknobs]

Being held up at gunpoint TWICE at my dad's business changed my views about the right to bear arms at a fairly young age.

Sounds like you not having a gun caused no one to be shot. Good story.

 

[iturnknobs]

Liberal policies. No thanks.

Maybe we can put them all down like dogs with your guns. Once again, you have provided NO reference to actual policy. Chum the waters for the fools.

 

[fallout]

Sounds like you not having a gun caused no one to be shot. Good story.

Sounds like you're incorrect. I was too young to own a firearm. Glad that you know the whole story.

Maybe we can put them all down like dogs with your guns.

Or maybe we can just let them shit all over the sidewalks.

Once again, you have provided NO reference to actual policy. Chum the waters for the fools.

https://www.hoover.org/research/san-franciscos-progressive-drug-policies-kill-hundreds-annuallyhttps://www.city-journal.org/san-franciscos-harm-reduction-policies-a-nightmarehttps://www.latimes.com/california/...sco-fights-drug-overdoses-tenderloin-fentanylWhen was the last time San Francisco had a republican mayor? Who would YOU blame? Republicans? Trump? White folks?

 

[AnalogPackrat]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/george-gascons-policies-have-lethal-consequences/ar-AAYylPy

 

[scott2000]

Maybe we can put them all down like dogs with your guns

So if San Fran has like 60 gun deaths in a year compared to 600 drug overdoses in the same year, it's better to focus even more on the guns?

 

[JohnRoberts]

4. You will find that the members of this community are courteous and respectful of each other, so please reciprocate those gestures. Leave the flame-war mentality at another forum. Personal attacks and generally hateful comments (regarding race, religion, gender, sex, etc...) will not be tolerated.

I started this thread to talk "about" politics in a thoughtful way, not to fling poop at each other (like monkeys).

JR

 

[iturnknobs]

I started this thread to talk "about" politics in a thoughtful way, not to fling poop at each other (like monkeys).

JR

Continue to protect the worst offenders...as long as they're on your team.

 

[iturnknobs]

So if San Fran has like 60 gun deaths in a year compared to 600 drug overdoses in the same year, it's better to focus even more on the guns?

Fallout continues this point and there have been zero deaths at the "safe injection sites" that also provide direction and assistance for rehab. His points are filled with fear and hate against others unlike him and against people he thinks are "less" than him, yet he wants more people to be born from the people he hates. Crazy.

edit: guns kill others, ODs kill themselves by willingly taking a chance. WAY DIFFERENT.

edit2: even worse, he refuses to acknowledge the truth of corporations avoiding REGULATIONS that hooked all these people on opioids. I have worked events for some of these pharma companies and heard them discuss how to deal with these situations. DISGUSTING. Keep consuming the us vs them media. Gullible does not begin to describe the knee jerk reaction by the haters.

 

[iturnknobs]

I started this thread to talk "about" politics in a thoughtful way, not to fling poop at each other (like monkeys).

JR

You cancelled the covid politics thread, but I suspect you allow this thread to survive because points you agree with are forcefully pushed. Cancel away.