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louder

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we`ve all used those shinny small cog caps that we buy at rs,farnell,mouser,and so on.
now:there`s also ceramic caps,small but not shinny,and with a black point on top;are these cog/npo also?
sorry waisting your time.
best regards
pedro
 
I must admit this confussed me also & I still don't have a total grip on it but yes... I think the "Black dot" are the plain ceramic NPO/COG type.

I "think" the smaller "shinny" ones are monolythic ceramic (multi layer) COG/NPO.

Now, where & when to use either type is a mystery to me so I'd like to learn also.

I ordered the Plain Ceramic NPO's for my mic pre project because it originally used basic ceramics (Not NPO's)... I'm hoping the NPO ceramics (black dot) will yeild a little better performance than the older plain types.


Kevin
 
no those types of caps are usually x5r or lower.

I've worked with a lot of ceramic caps and I don't recall the black tip meaning the heat range, but rather the tolerance.
 
Mouser P#

140-50N5-470J-rc

50v, NPO, 47pf, 5%

Xicon Ceramic Disc Capacitors


... I ordered these & got them today, they DO have the "Black Dot"

Svart may be right, the dot my not apply to ALL the same way... still confussed :?


Kevin
 
BUT: I forgot to mention that with most caps, the heat range and the tolerance go hand-in-hand. they go out of tolerance when heat is applied. Thus the reason for the NPO/COG (and so forth) coding.
 
alo
one more:
some catalogues,say blck dot cog/npo,orange dot x7r,and i can`t remember no more.
AND:these cog/npo,only in very small values(till 18pf,if my memory....).
best regards
pedro
 
[quote author="louder"]
AND:these cog/npo,only in very small values(till 18pf,if my memory....).
[/quote]

There is a tradeoff in ceramic capacitors between dielectric constant and temperature stability. You can have good size/capacitance ratio or good temperature stablity, but not both. Here is a good rundown from the latest IMAPS "Advancing Microelectronics" journal:

"The dielectric material is primarily barium titanate mixed with materials called ?shifters,? which shift the Curie point higher or lower in temperature and ?depressors,? which lower the dielectric constant in a given temperature range with the effect of making the dielectric constant lower but more consistent with temperature. Thus, by shifting the Curie point higher in temperature, a region with a low dielectric constant but which is relatively insensitive to temperature changes is created. This type of material is called ?COG? or ?NPO.? These capacitors are used in applications, such as tuned circuits, that require high stability. By shifting the Curie point to room temperature, a material is created that has a high dielectric constant, but which varies widely above and below room temperature. Materials of this type, called ?Y5V? or ?Z5U,? are commonly used as decoupling capacitors in commercial equipment that does not see temperature extremes. Materials with both depressors and shifters added, called ?X7R,? have the Curie point at room temperature also, but the peak is wider and these materials may be used as decoupling capacitors over an extended temperature range."

-Chris
 
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